Hi, All this achieves is moving the burden to pass on info from staff that is assisting us to the participant. In any case, I am sure you have already achieved your purpose of making her head shy about what she passes on. avri On 19-May-15 09:44, Edward Morris wrote: > Hi Rafik, > > >> >> She is trying to work on how to communicate and message better the >> several announcements and info we got in regular basis to avoid >> overload but also to reach better members. Sharing such video can be >> understood as possible source of information about the IANA >> stewardship transition same like the update made by ICANN staff I >> shared yesterday. I don't see any malign intention here. > > For the record, malign intent was not alleged. It's the principle of > staff members posting substantive content to the members list that I > have difficulty with. If yourself or a member wants to share > information or a link that's great. Editorial content, in that case, > rests with the member. If an NCSG member posted the link, fantastic. > Posting substantive editorial content, in this case a link to Fadi's > best attempt at a fireside chat (sans fire), should not be a staff > function. > >> let's focus. >> > > This is an important issue. In accountability we often talk of ICANN's > mission creep. Well, this issue highlights an important issue that is > somewhat similar, that of the NCSG's independence from ICANN. I guess > I would call it ICANN reliance creep. > > Those who are new to the group might not be aware, but it was a big > step for NCSG to accept the ICANN staff assistance that is now being > provided. At the time, I was opposed to accepting it as were several > members of far longer standing and greater stature than I. It was sold > to us then as the support being provided being purely administrative > in nature. That, indeed, was understandable and, although opposed in > principle, I understood the rationale. > > In my view this goes far beyond that. This is a staff member > suggesting we take a look at a video made by her employer. This goes > beyond administrative support and I submit ventures into areas that > should be reserved for members. Is it a major issue in and of itself?: > no, but it's another step on the slippery slope away from the > independence this group has always prided itself on. > > >> Best, >> >> Rafik >> >> 2015-05-19 15:32 GMT+09:00 Avri Doria <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>: >> >> Hi, >> >> I very much disagree. It is her job to relay to the list any and all >> posted information that might be of interest to the SG. It is >> not her >> job to decide whether something is or is not propaganda - to some >> extent >> it is all propoganda-ish. >> >> I am grateful to her for having sent us the information. >> >> avri >> >> >> On 19-May-15 08:00, Edward Morris wrote: >> > Hi everybody, >> > >> > I'm posting this to the PC list as the policy arm of the NCSG. >> > >> > The following email from Maryam made me a bit uneasy. It's not just >> > the possibility of recurring nightmares from viewing once again the >> > 'Fadi hands' video. :) Rather I don't feel it is appropriate for an >> > ICANN staff member to use his or her posting privileges on the >> members >> > list to disseminate what I would consider ICANN propaganda. >> > >> > It's perfectly fine for a member to post such a link and often >> we do. >> > I just think having staff do the same opens a path I'd prefer >> not to >> > go down. Nonmembers, obviously, do not have the right to post >> on the >> > members list and I'd suggest that staff posting rights be >> limited to >> > administrative matters unless directed otherwise by the Chair / >> EC or >> > in response to a members question or request. It's protection >> not only >> > for the independence of the NCSG that concerns me, it's for >> protection >> > of the staff as well. I don't want the staff member(s) involved >> to be >> > open to pressure from ICANN corporate to get certain approved >> > perspectives out to our members. That's not their role, not how >> their >> > job performance should be measured, and not why they have been >> allowed >> > posting privileges on the members list. IMHO It's just not good >> practice. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Ed >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On May 18, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Maryam Bakoshi >> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote: >> > >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> >> Please find below link of video message from ICANN President, Fadi >> >> Chehade, following posting of the draft proposals for public >> comment >> >> by the Cross Community Working Groups to Develop an IANA >> Stewardship >> >> Transition Proposal on Naming Related Functions >> (CWG-Stewardship) & >> >> on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability). >> >> >> >> Video link: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMusmAcQpu0&feature=youtu.be >> >> >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Maryam Bakoshi >> >> >> >> Secretariat Support - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC >> >> >> >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> >> >> >> >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> >> >> >> Mobile: +44 7737 698036 <tel:%2B44%207737%20698036> >> >> >> >> Skype: maryam.bakoshi.icann >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com