Dear Niels, No Hate is an example in this regards. I sometimes have problems to understand your very theoretical approach. I like more practical things, we are different. Colleagues of Article 19 are also in our IRPC coalition and for them it does not refer to a night club or anything else. But maybe I have different point of view. thanks,your vik On 02/10/2015, Niels ten Oever <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Dear Viktor, > > I am not really convinced bu the argument that the Internet has (or > should have) the same status as a night club. If any part of the > Internet would simply drop packets because of the wrong header, we > would simply route around it. > > Am also not sure if this is a sufficient mapping of human rights > online, it seems that most things are described in relation to hate > speech, whereas the is more to say, non-discrimination then what is > described here, no? Take for instance algorithmic decision making. > > Also missed a discussion on Intermediary Liability in the document, > does is align with the Manila Principles? > > Best, > > Niels > > > > > > > On 10/02/2015 10:43 AM, Viktor Szabados wrote: >> Hello Everybody, >> >> let me give also some input from my side, as consultant of the No >> Hate Speech Movement of the Council of Europe. We have a quite good >> summary of all the issues around human rights and Internet, in >> particular linked to hate speech. We run besides the campaign >> conferences, workshops and this guide is also for different >> exercises around this topic. We can offer you inputs and knowledge >> based on the expertise and experience of our campaign run since >> 2012. >> >> An other good network of experts is around the Internet Rights and >> Principles Coalition where I am also member of the board, see our >> Charter also below. The Coalition gained also official observer >> status at the Council of Europe’s Steering Committee on Media >> Information and Society (CDMSI). >> >> >> NHSM Council of Europe - No Hate Speech Movement >> http://www.nohatespeechmovement.org Bookmarks p. 144-145 see >> attached, full edition link below >> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/Campaign-Tools-and-Materials/Bookmarks >> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/content/download/38987/300906/file/Bookmarks > _EN_online.pdf >> >> Human rights and the Internet The Internet is mostly “owned” and >> controlled by private companies. This makes the protection of human >> rights more complicated, because human rights are really ‘rules for >> governments’, not private companies. If a shopping mall or private >> nightclub wants to forbid people from wearing jeans, protesting, or >> distributing information about another company, all of which are >> forms of ‘expression’, you cannot plead freedom of expression and >> take them to the European Court of Human Rights! In the same way, >> private companies can mostly set the rules that people must abide >> by when using parts of the Internet owned by them. If people do not >> like the rules, they can complain, but the ultimate sanction is >> simply not to use the service. However, this does not mean that >> those parts of the world which are owned by private companies, >> including the Internet, are not regulated by human rights laws! >> Human rights impose (at least) two different types of obligation on >> governments: 1. They set limits on what governments are actively >> allowed to do, for example, they are not allowed to ban all >> political dissent, engage in torture, or deprive someone of their >> liberty without proper reason. 2. They oblige governments to take >> positive action to ensure that rights are properly protected. This >> may mean passing laws which prohibit discrimination, making sure >> that violent acts are prosecuted (and punished), or ensuring that >> victims receive proper protection. ... >> >> >> IRPC Internet Rights and Principles Coalition - >> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/ the charter of human rights >> and principles for the internet >> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/08 > /IRPC_Booklet-English_4thedition.pdf >> >> What do we mean by Human Rights & Principles? Human rights are >> international human rights as defined by international law. We have >> translated these directly to the internet with provisions such as >> freedom from blocking and filtering. These can be identified by the >> use of language such as “everyone has a right to...” and “everyone >> has a freedom to...”. By “Principles” we are talking about those >> internet policy principles or implementation principles that >> describe features of the system which are required to support human >> rights, these can be identified by the use of language such as >> “shall” and “must”. ... >> >> >> Happy to give more insight or connection if needed, just drop me a >> line. >> >> thanks,your vik >> >> On 01/10/2015, Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> As we struggle to determine where and how human rights fit into >>> what ICANN is and what it does, it might be useful to read the >>> recent report to the UN General Assembly by the UN Special >>> Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, >>> submitted in accordance with Human Rights Council resolution >>> 26/. >>> >>> It is short, 23 pages long, and has been used by others to >>> describe the World Bank, in negative terms, as a "Human-Rights >>> Free Zone". I would hate to see that label applied to ICANN. >>> >>> http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/274 >>> >>> Sam L. >>> >>> -- >> >> Re: Human Rights@ICANN 54 Inbox Stephanie >> Perrin<[log in to unmask]> 1 October 2015 at 17:32 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> Gac public safety committee, on Monday at 330 to 430 I believe >> Stephanie >> >> On 2015-10-01 9:44, Marilia Maciel wrote: Dear NCSGers, >> >> Here is a compilation of ICANN sessions that are either about >> human rights or that relate to Human Rights discussions. May be of >> interest to this group. >> >> Please, take a look and see if you would have any >> additions/deletions to make: http://bit.ly/1LSIbvQ >> >> Best wishes, Marília >> > > - -- > Niels ten Oever > Head of Digital > > Article 19 > www.article19.org > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWDlnqAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpDeAIAJFYDg0dhxYa057tcbqmAiHY > kID/qEjJAPsb4TKKjzw3wrr4t9oV5nvI72S6CdzQfEni68dG0t+Mndj4QGBTFO+C > 1GxTFUmswFm0S0eDATvtqkR8dvi5+ep2RYNBnERf/yfcHT4lJWgXzw+0teOMD97Z > Mv3UR/izmX59ZD4Z3YcsVOExIJJ8TUmccxQqNA2WDQJ2sF4i5W2ULDYdGlhoM25/ > l8oTr/HNLvM2iJxxU6O/MhRLDhdKzLqt+M5tHqRLDCAU2+KIv2+OvvcbKLb1ajps > ra8ft6gSjbCZp/1QYhbUNJf84FwP3D03UiQxOaMVvI2sG1dDbqgZOqQxeYfeUTI= > =G6EX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- SZABADOS Viktor [log in to unmask] +41 79 734 47 83