Hi Ed, if you read my email there, do you see there any suggestion like you are both writing? Just based on the topic and material which Sam Lafranco shared I just also shared some ressources but please do not feel annoyed by these. I think sometimes you are too overreacting some issues. How many email did I read already on this list as I thought something like you seem to be thinking. But I was not offending anyone. I think sometimes there are too much of air and no output behind these works. I stick on output and fruitful discussions. Maybe I am old style. your vik On 02/10/2015, Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Viktor, > > Great to see you here! > > The traditional position of the NCSG is that ICANN should not get involved > in content. That is a position I am a strong supporter of, be it content we > all agree is wonderful and delight in viewing or content some would label > hate speech. Are you suggesting that ICANN should get involved in regulating > hate speech? That is a concept I find troubling on a number of grounds and > is certainly something I would contend is beyond the corporations scope and > mission. > > Best, > > Ed Morris > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Viktor Szabados <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Niels, >> >> No Hate is an example in this regards. I sometimes have problems to >> understand your very theoretical approach. I like more practical >> things, we are different. >> >> Colleagues of Article 19 are also in our IRPC coalition and for them >> it does not refer to a night club or anything else. But maybe I have >> different point of view. >> >> thanks,your >> vik >> >>> On 02/10/2015, Niels ten Oever <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA256 >>> >>> Dear Viktor, >>> >>> I am not really convinced bu the argument that the Internet has (or >>> should have) the same status as a night club. If any part of the >>> Internet would simply drop packets because of the wrong header, we >>> would simply route around it. >>> >>> Am also not sure if this is a sufficient mapping of human rights >>> online, it seems that most things are described in relation to hate >>> speech, whereas the is more to say, non-discrimination then what is >>> described here, no? Take for instance algorithmic decision making. >>> >>> Also missed a discussion on Intermediary Liability in the document, >>> does is align with the Manila Principles? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Niels >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/02/2015 10:43 AM, Viktor Szabados wrote: >>>> Hello Everybody, >>>> >>>> let me give also some input from my side, as consultant of the No >>>> Hate Speech Movement of the Council of Europe. We have a quite good >>>> summary of all the issues around human rights and Internet, in >>>> particular linked to hate speech. We run besides the campaign >>>> conferences, workshops and this guide is also for different >>>> exercises around this topic. We can offer you inputs and knowledge >>>> based on the expertise and experience of our campaign run since >>>> 2012. >>>> >>>> An other good network of experts is around the Internet Rights and >>>> Principles Coalition where I am also member of the board, see our >>>> Charter also below. The Coalition gained also official observer >>>> status at the Council of Europe’s Steering Committee on Media >>>> Information and Society (CDMSI). >>>> >>>> >>>> NHSM Council of Europe - No Hate Speech Movement >>>> http://www.nohatespeechmovement.org Bookmarks p. 144-145 see >>>> attached, full edition link below >>>> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/Campaign-Tools-and-Materials/Bookmarks >>>> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/content/download/38987/300906/file/Bookmarks >>> _EN_online.pdf >>>> >>>> Human rights and the Internet The Internet is mostly “owned” and >>>> controlled by private companies. This makes the protection of human >>>> rights more complicated, because human rights are really ‘rules for >>>> governments’, not private companies. If a shopping mall or private >>>> nightclub wants to forbid people from wearing jeans, protesting, or >>>> distributing information about another company, all of which are >>>> forms of ‘expression’, you cannot plead freedom of expression and >>>> take them to the European Court of Human Rights! In the same way, >>>> private companies can mostly set the rules that people must abide >>>> by when using parts of the Internet owned by them. If people do not >>>> like the rules, they can complain, but the ultimate sanction is >>>> simply not to use the service. However, this does not mean that >>>> those parts of the world which are owned by private companies, >>>> including the Internet, are not regulated by human rights laws! >>>> Human rights impose (at least) two different types of obligation on >>>> governments: 1. They set limits on what governments are actively >>>> allowed to do, for example, they are not allowed to ban all >>>> political dissent, engage in torture, or deprive someone of their >>>> liberty without proper reason. 2. They oblige governments to take >>>> positive action to ensure that rights are properly protected. This >>>> may mean passing laws which prohibit discrimination, making sure >>>> that violent acts are prosecuted (and punished), or ensuring that >>>> victims receive proper protection. ... >>>> >>>> >>>> IRPC Internet Rights and Principles Coalition - >>>> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/ the charter of human rights >>>> and principles for the internet >>>> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/08 >>> /IRPC_Booklet-English_4thedition.pdf >>>> >>>> What do we mean by Human Rights & Principles? Human rights are >>>> international human rights as defined by international law. We have >>>> translated these directly to the internet with provisions such as >>>> freedom from blocking and filtering. These can be identified by the >>>> use of language such as “everyone has a right to...” and “everyone >>>> has a freedom to...”. By “Principles” we are talking about those >>>> internet policy principles or implementation principles that >>>> describe features of the system which are required to support human >>>> rights, these can be identified by the use of language such as >>>> “shall” and “must”. ... >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy to give more insight or connection if needed, just drop me a >>>> line. >>>> >>>> thanks,your vik >>>> >>>>> On 01/10/2015, Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> As we struggle to determine where and how human rights fit into >>>>> what ICANN is and what it does, it might be useful to read the >>>>> recent report to the UN General Assembly by the UN Special >>>>> Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, >>>>> submitted in accordance with Human Rights Council resolution >>>>> 26/. >>>>> >>>>> It is short, 23 pages long, and has been used by others to >>>>> describe the World Bank, in negative terms, as a "Human-Rights >>>>> Free Zone". I would hate to see that label applied to ICANN. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/274 >>>>> >>>>> Sam L. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> Re: Human Rights@ICANN 54 Inbox Stephanie >>>> Perrin<[log in to unmask]> 1 October 2015 at 17:32 >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> Gac public safety committee, on Monday at 330 to 430 I believe >>>> Stephanie >>>> >>>> On 2015-10-01 9:44, Marilia Maciel wrote: Dear NCSGers, >>>> >>>> Here is a compilation of ICANN sessions that are either about >>>> human rights or that relate to Human Rights discussions. May be of >>>> interest to this group. >>>> >>>> Please, take a look and see if you would have any >>>> additions/deletions to make: http://bit.ly/1LSIbvQ >>>> >>>> Best wishes, Marília >>> >>> - -- >>> Niels ten Oever >>> Head of Digital >>> >>> Article 19 >>> www.article19.org >>> >>> PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 >>> 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v2 >>> >>> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWDlnqAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpDeAIAJFYDg0dhxYa057tcbqmAiHY >>> kID/qEjJAPsb4TKKjzw3wrr4t9oV5nvI72S6CdzQfEni68dG0t+Mndj4QGBTFO+C >>> 1GxTFUmswFm0S0eDATvtqkR8dvi5+ep2RYNBnERf/yfcHT4lJWgXzw+0teOMD97Z >>> Mv3UR/izmX59ZD4Z3YcsVOExIJJ8TUmccxQqNA2WDQJ2sF4i5W2ULDYdGlhoM25/ >>> l8oTr/HNLvM2iJxxU6O/MhRLDhdKzLqt+M5tHqRLDCAU2+KIv2+OvvcbKLb1ajps >>> ra8ft6gSjbCZp/1QYhbUNJf84FwP3D03UiQxOaMVvI2sG1dDbqgZOqQxeYfeUTI= >>> =G6EX >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> -- >> SZABADOS Viktor >> [log in to unmask] >> +41 79 734 47 83 > -- SZABADOS Viktor [log in to unmask] +41 79 734 47 83