Hi Ed,

if you read my email there, do you see there any suggestion like you
are both writing?

Just based on the topic and material which Sam Lafranco shared I just
also shared some ressources but please do not feel annoyed by these. I
think sometimes you are too overreacting some issues.

How many email did I read already on this list as I thought something
like you seem to be thinking. But I was not offending anyone. I think
sometimes there are too much of air and no output behind these works.
I stick on output and fruitful discussions. Maybe I am old style.

your
vik

On 02/10/2015, Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Viktor,
>
> Great to see you here!
>
> The traditional position of the NCSG is that ICANN should not get involved
> in content. That is a position I am a strong supporter of, be it content we
> all agree is wonderful and delight in viewing or content some would label
> hate speech. Are you suggesting that ICANN should get involved in regulating
> hate speech? That is a concept I find troubling on a number of grounds and
> is certainly something I would contend is beyond the corporations scope and
> mission.
>
> Best,
>
> Ed Morris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Viktor Szabados <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Niels,
>>
>> No Hate is an example in this regards. I sometimes have problems to
>> understand your very theoretical approach. I like more practical
>> things, we are different.
>>
>> Colleagues of Article 19 are also in our IRPC coalition and for them
>> it does not refer to a night club or anything else. But maybe I have
>> different point of view.
>>
>> thanks,your
>> vik
>>
>>> On 02/10/2015, Niels ten Oever <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> Dear Viktor,
>>>
>>> I am not really convinced bu the argument that the Internet has (or
>>> should have) the same status as a night club. If any part of the
>>> Internet would simply drop packets because of the wrong header, we
>>> would simply route around it.
>>>
>>> Am also not sure if this is a sufficient mapping of human rights
>>> online, it seems that most things are described in relation to hate
>>> speech, whereas the is more to say, non-discrimination then what is
>>> described here, no? Take for instance algorithmic decision making.
>>>
>>> Also missed a discussion on Intermediary Liability in the document,
>>> does is align with the Manila Principles?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/02/2015 10:43 AM, Viktor Szabados wrote:
>>>> Hello Everybody,
>>>>
>>>> let me give also some input from my side, as consultant of the No
>>>> Hate Speech Movement of the Council of Europe. We have a quite good
>>>> summary of all the issues around human rights and Internet, in
>>>> particular linked to hate speech. We run besides the campaign
>>>> conferences, workshops and this guide is also for different
>>>> exercises around this topic. We can offer you inputs and knowledge
>>>> based on the expertise and experience of our campaign run since
>>>> 2012.
>>>>
>>>> An other good network of experts is around the Internet Rights and
>>>> Principles Coalition where I am also member of the board, see our
>>>> Charter also below. The Coalition gained also official observer
>>>> status at the Council of Europe’s Steering Committee on Media
>>>> Information and Society (CDMSI).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NHSM Council of Europe - No Hate Speech Movement
>>>> http://www.nohatespeechmovement.org Bookmarks p. 144-145 see
>>>> attached, full edition link below
>>>> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/Campaign-Tools-and-Materials/Bookmarks
>>>> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/content/download/38987/300906/file/Bookmarks
>>> _EN_online.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Human rights and the Internet The Internet is mostly “owned” and
>>>> controlled by private companies. This makes the protection of human
>>>> rights more complicated, because human rights are really ‘rules for
>>>> governments’, not private companies. If a shopping mall or private
>>>> nightclub wants to forbid people from wearing jeans, protesting, or
>>>> distributing information about another company, all of which are
>>>> forms of ‘expression’, you cannot plead freedom of expression and
>>>> take them to the European Court of Human Rights! In the same way,
>>>> private companies can mostly set the rules that people must abide
>>>> by when using parts of the Internet owned by them. If people do not
>>>> like the rules, they can complain, but the ultimate sanction is
>>>> simply not to use the service. However, this does not mean that
>>>> those parts of the world which are owned by private companies,
>>>> including the Internet, are not regulated by human rights laws!
>>>> Human rights impose (at least) two different types of obligation on
>>>> governments: 1. They set limits on what governments are actively
>>>> allowed to do, for example, they are not allowed to ban all
>>>> political dissent, engage in torture, or deprive someone of their
>>>> liberty without proper reason. 2. They oblige governments to take
>>>> positive action to ensure that rights are properly protected. This
>>>> may mean passing laws which prohibit discrimination, making sure
>>>> that violent acts are prosecuted (and punished), or ensuring that
>>>> victims receive proper protection. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IRPC Internet Rights and Principles Coalition -
>>>> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/ the charter of human rights
>>>> and principles for the internet
>>>> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/08
>>> /IRPC_Booklet-English_4thedition.pdf
>>>>
>>>> What do we mean by Human Rights & Principles? Human rights are
>>>> international human rights as defined by international law. We have
>>>> translated these directly to the internet with provisions such as
>>>> freedom from blocking and filtering. These can be identified by the
>>>> use of language such as “everyone has a right to...” and “everyone
>>>> has a freedom to...”. By “Principles” we are talking about those
>>>> internet policy principles or implementation principles that
>>>> describe features of the system which are required to support human
>>>> rights, these can be identified by the use of language such as
>>>> “shall” and “must”. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Happy to give more insight or connection if needed, just drop me a
>>>> line.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,your vik
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/10/2015, Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> As we struggle to determine where and how human rights fit into
>>>>> what ICANN is and what it does, it might be useful to read the
>>>>> recent report to the UN General Assembly by the UN Special
>>>>> Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston,
>>>>> submitted in accordance with Human Rights Council resolution
>>>>> 26/.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is short, 23 pages long, and has been used by others to
>>>>> describe the World Bank, in negative terms, as a "Human-Rights
>>>>> Free Zone". I would hate to see that label applied to ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/274
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam L.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Re: Human Rights@ICANN 54   Inbox Stephanie
>>>> Perrin<[log in to unmask]>    1 October 2015 at 17:32
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>> Gac public safety committee, on Monday at 330 to 430 I believe
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-10-01 9:44, Marilia Maciel wrote: Dear NCSGers,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a compilation of ICANN sessions that are either about
>>>> human rights or that relate to Human Rights discussions. May be of
>>>> interest to this group.
>>>>
>>>> Please, take a look and see if you would have any
>>>> additions/deletions to make: http://bit.ly/1LSIbvQ
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes, Marília
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Niels ten Oever
>>> Head of Digital
>>>
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>>> www.article19.org
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>>
>> --
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