Hi Farzaneh, Actually one could say the internet today is controlled by private companies; imagine if a few companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon and major ISPs et all decides to block access to certain content. Though there are private not-for-profit organisations like ICANN, RIRs, some IX et all that contributes to controlling the internet. I will say the larger chunk still falls within the private sector. That said, applying human rights within the wall of ICANN is something that as much as it sounds interesting I would caution against. ICANN coordinates based on guidelines provided/set and it technically does not set policy for 2.5 out of 3 of the operational communities. These operational communities don't all have human rights wordings embedded into their governing/policy documents. So if IETF for instance releases an RFC that allows end-to-end encryption as the only means of communication (again just a wild example) will ICANN as the IFO refuse to process the instruction because it violates HR principles? I guess that would only ensure that separation of the operational communities happen earlier then we may have thought. Again I am a fan of HR but applying it within a technical coordinating organisation as ICANN can be an act of shooting of self in the leg. Regards Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 3 Oct 2015 15:24, "farzaneh badii" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I agree with Ed and Milton. > > > > and I find this statement surprising > > Human rights and the Internet > "The Internet is mostly “owned” and controlled by private companies. > This makes the protection of human rights more complicated, because > human rights are really ‘rules for governments’, not private > companies." > > Since when did we establish that the Internet is property to be owned! and > owned by private companies??? That's just like saying because so many shops > are owned by the private sector in this street, this city is owned by the > private companies!! > > The argument that human rights are rules for governments not private > companies is outdated in my opinion. There are many efforts in place to > bring protection of human rights to private companies both by national > legislations and international organizations and to some people's surprise > by private companies own effort. > > And nice to see Vik in this space. I find you a passionate activist. > ofcourse we disagree, but we can disagree agreeably! > > > On 3 October 2015 at 13:33, Patrick Lenihan < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> +1 Ed....I have problems with regulating Any Speech! Let the People >> decide what is Good and what is Bad. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]> >> To: NCSG-DISCUSS <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 8:05 pm >> Subject: Re: ICANN and Human Rights & the World Bank and Human Rights >> >> Hi Viktor, >> >> Great to see you here! >> >> The traditional position of the NCSG is >> that ICANN should not get involved in content. That is a position I am a strong >> supporter of, be it content we all agree is wonderful and delight in viewing or >> content some would label hate speech. Are you suggesting that ICANN should get >> involved in regulating hate speech? That is a concept I find troubling on a >> number of grounds and is certainly something I would contend is beyond the >> corporations scope and mission. >> >> Best, >> >> Ed Morris >> >> Sent from my >> iPhone >> >> > On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Viktor Szabados <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Niels, >> > >> > No Hate is an example in this regards. I >> sometimes have problems to >> > understand your very theoretical approach. I like >> more practical >> > things, we are different. >> > >> > Colleagues of Article 19 are >> also in our IRPC coalition and for them >> > it does not refer to a night club or >> anything else. But maybe I have >> > different point of view. >> > >> > >> thanks,your >> > vik >> > >> >> On 02/10/2015, Niels ten Oever >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> >> >> Dear Viktor, >> >> >> >> I am not really convinced bu the >> argument that the Internet has (or >> >> should have) the same status as a night >> club. If any part of the >> >> Internet would simply drop packets because of the >> wrong header, we >> >> would simply route around it. >> >> >> >> Am also not sure if >> this is a sufficient mapping of human rights >> >> online, it seems that most >> things are described in relation to hate >> >> speech, whereas the is more to say, >> non-discrimination then what is >> >> described here, no? Take for instance >> algorithmic decision making. >> >> >> >> Also missed a discussion on Intermediary >> Liability in the document, >> >> does is align with the Manila Principles? >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Niels >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 10/02/2015 10:43 >> AM, Viktor Szabados wrote: >> >>> Hello Everybody, >> >>> >> >>> let me give also >> some input from my side, as consultant of the No >> >>> Hate Speech Movement of >> the Council of Europe. We have a quite good >> >>> summary of all the issues >> around human rights and Internet, in >> >>> particular linked to hate speech. We >> run besides the campaign >> >>> conferences, workshops and this guide is also for >> different >> >>> exercises around this topic. We can offer you inputs and >> knowledge >> >>> based on the expertise and experience of our campaign run >> since >> >>> 2012. >> >>> >> >>> An other good network of experts is around the >> Internet Rights and >> >>> Principles Coalition where I am also member of the >> board, see our >> >>> Charter also below. The Coalition gained also official >> observer >> >>> status at the Council of Europe’s Steering Committee on Media >> >>> >> Information and Society (CDMSI). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> NHSM Council of Europe - No >> Hate Speech Movement >> >>> http://www.nohatespeechmovement.org Bookmarks p. >> 144-145 see >> >>> attached, full edition link below >> >>>http://nohate.ext.coe.int/Campaign-Tools-and-Materials/Bookmarks >> >>>http://nohate.ext.coe.int/content/download/38987/300906/file/Bookmarks >> >> >> _EN_online.pdf >> >>> >> >>> Human rights and the Internet The Internet is mostly >> “owned” and >> >>> controlled by private companies. This makes the protection of >> human >> >>> rights more complicated, because human rights are really ‘rules >> for >> >>> governments’, not private companies. If a shopping mall or private >> >>> >> nightclub wants to forbid people from wearing jeans, protesting, or >> >>> >> distributing information about another company, all of which are >> >>> forms of >> ‘expression’, you cannot plead freedom of expression and >> >>> take them to the >> European Court of Human Rights! In the same way, >> >>> private companies can >> mostly set the rules that people must abide >> >>> by when using parts of the >> Internet owned by them. If people do not >> >>> like the rules, they can complain, >> but the ultimate sanction is >> >>> simply not to use the service. However, this >> does not mean that >> >>> those parts of the world which are owned by private >> companies, >> >>> including the Internet, are not regulated by human rights >> laws! >> >>> Human rights impose (at least) two different types of obligation >> on >> >>> governments: 1. They set limits on what governments are actively >> >>> >> allowed to do, for example, they are not allowed to ban all >> >>> political >> dissent, engage in torture, or deprive someone of their >> >>> liberty without >> proper reason. 2. They oblige governments to take >> >>> positive action to ensure >> that rights are properly protected. This >> >>> may mean passing laws which >> prohibit discrimination, making sure >> >>> that violent acts are prosecuted (and >> punished), or ensuring that >> >>> victims receive proper protection. ... >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> IRPC Internet Rights and Principles Coalition - >> >>>http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/ the charter of human rights >> >>> and >> principles for the internet >> >>>http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/08 >> >> >> /IRPC_Booklet-English_4thedition.pdf >> >>> >> >>> What do we mean by Human Rights >> & Principles? Human rights are >> >>> international human rights as defined by >> international law. We have >> >>> translated these directly to the internet with >> provisions such as >> >>> freedom from blocking and filtering. These can be >> identified by the >> >>> use of language such as “everyone has a right to...” and >> “everyone >> >>> has a freedom to...”. By “Principles” we are talking about >> those >> >>> internet policy principles or implementation principles that >> >>> >> describe features of the system which are required to support human >> >>> rights, >> these can be identified by the use of language such as >> >>> “shall” and “must”. >> ... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Happy to give more insight or connection if needed, just >> drop me a >> >>> line. >> >>> >> >>> thanks,your vik >> >>> >> >>>> On 01/10/2015, Sam >> Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>>> As we struggle to determine where and >> how human rights fit into >> >>>> what ICANN is and what it does, it might be >> useful to read the >> >>>> recent report to the UN General Assembly by the UN >> Special >> >>>> Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip >> Alston, >> >>>> submitted in accordance with Human Rights Council resolution >> >>>> >> 26/. >> >>>> >> >>>> It is short, 23 pages long, and has been used by others >> to >> >>>> describe the World Bank, in negative terms, as a "Human-Rights >> >>>> >> Free Zone". I would hate to see that label applied to ICANN. >> >>>> >> >>>>http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/274 >> >>>> >> >>>> Sam >> L. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Re: Human Rights@ICANN 54 Inbox Stephanie >> >>> >> Perrin<[log in to unmask]> 1 October 2015 at 17:32 >> >>> To:[log in to unmask] >> >>> >> >>> Gac public safety committee, on Monday >> at 330 to 430 I believe >> >>> Stephanie >> >>> >> >>> On 2015-10-01 9:44, Marilia >> Maciel wrote: Dear NCSGers, >> >>> >> >>> Here is a compilation of ICANN sessions >> that are either about >> >>> human rights or that relate to Human Rights >> discussions. May be of >> >>> interest to this group. >> >>> >> >>> Please, take a >> look and see if you would have any >> >>> additions/deletions to make:http://bit.ly/1LSIbvQ >> >>> >> >>> Best wishes, Marília >> >> >> >> - -- >> >> Niels >> ten Oever >> >> Head of Digital >> >> >> >> Article 19 >> >> www.article19.org >> >> >> >> >> PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 >> >> 678B 08B5 A0F2 >> 636D 68E9 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> Version: GnuPG v2 >> >> >> >> >> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWDlnqAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpDeAIAJFYDg0dhxYa057tcbqmAiHY >> >> >> kID/qEjJAPsb4TKKjzw3wrr4t9oV5nvI72S6CdzQfEni68dG0t+Mndj4QGBTFO+C >> >> >> 1GxTFUmswFm0S0eDATvtqkR8dvi5+ep2RYNBnERf/yfcHT4lJWgXzw+0teOMD97Z >> >> >> Mv3UR/izmX59ZD4Z3YcsVOExIJJ8TUmccxQqNA2WDQJ2sF4i5W2ULDYdGlhoM25/ >> >> >> l8oTr/HNLvM2iJxxU6O/MhRLDhdKzLqt+M5tHqRLDCAU2+KIv2+OvvcbKLb1ajps >> >> >> ra8ft6gSjbCZp/1QYhbUNJf84FwP3D03UiQxOaMVvI2sG1dDbqgZOqQxeYfeUTI= >> >> =G6EX >> >> >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >> > >> > -- >> > SZABADOS Viktor >> >[log in to unmask] >> > +41 79 734 47 83 >> >> > > > -- > Farzaneh >