IMO, I think it was a mistake that territory/city names(except continents) were open to the G world. Right now ICANN is making more USD digits but I expect this will always cause clash between the titans and I really wonder whether ICANN will be able to handle the issues as things unfold. IMO I think the newgtld should have just ensured that city/territory names are referred to their respective ccTLDs. That way, there would be no reason to have .nyc as a TLD for instance. Regards On Dec 10, 2015 5:03 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thanks Milton for your comments as well. But while reading then my head > starts itching of the CWG on the use of country and territory names (UCTN) > shouldn't be sent back to the ccNSO as well (where it originally came from) > > Carlos Raúl > On Dec 10, 2015 9:37 AM, "Mueller, Milton L" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Ed, I love your ability to dig up these kinds of interesting issues. >> >> >> >> Insofar as ICANN is involved, ccTLD delegation issues are dealt with by >> the ccNSO; it is most definitely not a GNSO issue. If you look at RFC 1591, >> which many ccTLDs consider the guiding policy, ICANN should delegate .EH as >> long as it is a recognized ISO-3166-1 code, here are some relevant wordings: >> >> >> >> “The designated manager must be equitable to all groups in the domain >> that request domain names. >> >> Significantly interested parties in the domain should agree that the >> designated manager is the appropriate party. >> >> The IANA is not in the business of deciding what is and what is not a >> country. The selection of the ISO 3166 list as a basis for country code >> top-level domain names was made with the knowledge that ISO has a procedure >> for determining which entities should be and should not be on that list.” >> >> >> >> However, GAC has created its own “Principles” for the delegation of >> ccTLDs. ICANN is currently engaged in ratifying a “framework of >> interpretation” that mediates between the GAC Principles, RFC 1591, and >> current practice. >> >> >> >> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf >> Of *Schaefer, Brett >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:50 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders >> >> >> >> Hey Ed, >> >> >> >> Without taking one side or the other, this seems to me to be precisely >> the type of inter-governmental dispute that ICANN should shy away from >> until governments can arrive at a consensus position. No matter what >> position the organization takes, it will be seen as siding with one >> government faction or another. >> >> >> >> Moreover, it will set a precedent for future such situations. Do we >> really want ICANN to be making ccTLD decisions in situations of disputed >> sovereignty? How about Eastern Ukraine or Crimea? What about Biafra or >> Somaliland if stability in Nigeria or Somalia deteriorate further? What >> about the Islamic State if it comes to ICANN? >> >> >> >> If ICANN goes down this road, I think it would create more incentives for >> governments to stick their noses in ICANN or, heaven forbid, take it to the >> ITU. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Brett >> >> >> >> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Edward Morris >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Without taking a position on Niels proposal, there is an ongoing issue >> directly within ICANN's scope related to human rights that I hope we might >> be able to explore within one of our meetings in Morocco. This concerns >> delegation of EH. >> >> >> >> EH is the ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 code for Western Sahara. I should emphasise >> it is a code under ISO 3166-1, generally national designations, and not >> 3166-2, which designates subregions. Western Sahara is a territory that is >> disputed between Morocco and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Although >> not a UN member, the SADR inc recognised by 80 plus countries, with 40 plus >> states currently maintaining diplomatic relations with the group. >> >> >> >> Delegation of the EH ccTLD has been frozen pending negotiations that have >> been ongoing for decades. There is a territory controlled under various >> agreements by the SADR, an internationally recognised government, yet they >> are currently forced to use the Moroccan ccTLD. >> >> >> >> I'd like to learn more about how ICANN deals with situations like these, >> generally, and the Western Sahara in particular. Is ICANN's policy dictated >> by the United Stares government? Might / should this change post >> transition? The CCWG in work stream 2 is going to have a subgroup on >> jurisdiction, namely that applicable to ICANN. Should we add this topic to >> it's remit? >> >> >> >> As we discuss human rights and ICANN in the context of the Morocco >> meeting I wanted to bring this up. It certainly is within ICANN's scope and >> mission, involves recognition by ICANN of the sovereignty of the clearly >> defined internationally recognised group...might be an interesting issue to >> explore. >> >> >> >> Thanks for considering, >> >> >> >> Ed Morris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From*: "Tapani Tarvainen" <[log in to unmask]> >> *Sent*: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:04 PM >> *To*: [log in to unmask] >> *Subject*: Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders >> >> >> >> Thank you Rafik. >> >> We do indeed need to be careful here, good intentions do not guarantee >> good results. Hasty action could easily do more harm than good to both >> the people in question as well as our future ability to influence >> ICANN's human rights and other policies. >> >> But as I expected, you are clearly aware of all this and well able to >> evaluate various alternatives and their possible repercussions, so >> I'm happy you're willing to take the lead on this. >> >> Best, >> >> Tapani >> >> On Dec 10 11:39, Rafik Dammak ([log in to unmask]) wrote: >> >> > Hi Tapani, >> > >> > happy to do that, I will first investigate what are the options and what >> > can be done, discussing with the moroccan friends and locals. I am aware >> > about the political context and sensitivity in the country, and will get >> > more info and feedback anyway. >> > >> > I saw the latest responses and I think they jumped too quickly to some >> > conclusion. I didn't see any proposal for protest or something similar >> such >> > occupying the space. I don't think those activists would ask for any >> bold >> > action or ICANN as organization to take position in the matter. they are >> > cautious and pragmatic, aware of the limits. we will discuss with them >> > anyway about the best options, having their safety in mind. >> > >> > btw regarding a parallel event, I may respond to that quickly. ADN, the >> > association, was prevented several times from having public meetings so >> I >> > would assume that option doesn't sound realistic. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Rafik >> > >> > 2015-12-09 23:11 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <[log in to unmask] >> >: >> > >> > > Hi Niels, >> > > >> > > I think this is an excellent idea. >> > > >> > > But exactly what and how, that is a difficult question. >> > > >> > > Fortunately we have people with local knowledge who can >> > > help us plan this in more detail. I should think Rafik >> > > would be in an ideal position to coordinate this effort, >> > > if his undoubtedly busy schedule allows. >> > > >> > > Rafik, what do you think? >> > > >> > > Tapani >> > > >> > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 10:56:11AM +0100, Niels ten Oever ( >> > > [log in to unmask]) wrote: >> > > >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > > Hash: SHA256 >> > > > >> > > > Dear all, >> > > > >> > > > I hope this email finds you well. As you all know, the next ICANN >> > > > meeting will be in Marrakesh. Morrocco hasn't got a great track >> record >> > > > when it comes to human rights, and right now, seven human rights >> > > > defenders are on trial. >> > > > >> > > > I think it would be good if we the NCSG we could give proper >> attention >> > > > to this case and invite the human rights defenders to our session(s) >> > > > so give them support, shed light on their case and call for the >> > > > protection of freedom of expression in Morrocco. >> > > > >> > > > More information on the seven can be found here: >> > > > >> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/these-seven-moroccan-human-ri >> > > > ghts-defenders-are-on-trial >> > > > >> > > > and here: >> > > > >> > > > >> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/international-appeal-to-the-m >> > > > oroccan-authorities-to-drop-charges-against-human-rights-defenders >> > > > >> > > > Am eager to hear from you how you think we could support these >> > > > colleagues in distress, how we could visibility for their cases and >> > > > how we could integrate these discussions in our work at ICANN. >> > > > >> > > > Best, >> > > > >> > > > Niels >> > > > >> > > > - -- >> > > > Niels ten Oever >> > > > Head of Digital >> > > > >> > > > Article 19 >> > > > www.article19.org >> > > > >> > > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 >> > > > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > > Version: GnuPG v2 >> > > > >> > > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWZ/q7AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpnFkH/0qEuk++pW431ne0wYk6us+E >> > > > xLj4+eFfj2SZlOM9D3Pat4/+qvgrGCHZLWJXAg7pqS0TRNslDQtp1iY/8xb9Xxz/ >> > > > EBQsu1IQ63pY2mIVwixiBnzMhVso857qf2uAv84j7n/zoQ6MhnkQCdsWWcZvdj+u >> > > > GakvydpqV3sQio5gRo0ijLCKGzvtSIoHW+99bmmDmSMifadf6vfRK2W0a2E+auIN >> > > > bn8QJQfW/5GRn62fmlCJC2JeYi80b+TBozV6GbvaGSQvgwZ886lX51DXXqI6oyNL >> > > > Us8F0VzI9mcQ+tT/P22BbGP8J7RJsQr1sNjgVnnwRQqGkFIbdVfjzbmE+vyPotY= >> > > > =fVDL >> > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Brett* *Schaefer* >> >> * Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs >> Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security >> and Foreign Policy* >> The Heritage Foundation >> 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE >> Washington, DC 20002 >> 202-608-6097 >> heritage.org >> >