Dear Seun, I invite to join the CWG (ccNOS-GNSO) UCTN!!!!! Carlos Raul Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 (New Phone number!!!!) ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Seun Ojedeji <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > IMO, I think it was a mistake that territory/city names(except continents) > were open to the G world. Right now ICANN is making more USD digits but I > expect this will always cause clash between the titans and I really wonder > whether ICANN will be able to handle the issues as things unfold. > > IMO I think the newgtld should have just ensured that city/territory names > are referred to their respective ccTLDs. That way, there would be no reason > to have .nyc as a TLD for instance. > > Regards > On Dec 10, 2015 5:03 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Thanks Milton for your comments as well. But while reading then my head >> starts itching of the CWG on the use of country and territory names (UCTN) >> shouldn't be sent back to the ccNSO as well (where it originally came from) >> >> Carlos Raúl >> On Dec 10, 2015 9:37 AM, "Mueller, Milton L" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Ed, I love your ability to dig up these kinds of interesting issues. >>> >>> >>> >>> Insofar as ICANN is involved, ccTLD delegation issues are dealt with by >>> the ccNSO; it is most definitely not a GNSO issue. If you look at RFC 1591, >>> which many ccTLDs consider the guiding policy, ICANN should delegate .EH as >>> long as it is a recognized ISO-3166-1 code, here are some relevant wordings: >>> >>> >>> >>> “The designated manager must be equitable to all groups in the domain >>> that request domain names. >>> >>> Significantly interested parties in the domain should agree that the >>> designated manager is the appropriate party. >>> >>> The IANA is not in the business of deciding what is and what is not a >>> country. The selection of the ISO 3166 list as a basis for country code >>> top-level domain names was made with the knowledge that ISO has a procedure >>> for determining which entities should be and should not be on that list.” >>> >>> >>> >>> However, GAC has created its own “Principles” for the delegation of >>> ccTLDs. ICANN is currently engaged in ratifying a “framework of >>> interpretation” that mediates between the GAC Principles, RFC 1591, and >>> current practice. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf >>> Of *Schaefer, Brett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:50 AM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Ed, >>> >>> >>> >>> Without taking one side or the other, this seems to me to be precisely >>> the type of inter-governmental dispute that ICANN should shy away from >>> until governments can arrive at a consensus position. No matter what >>> position the organization takes, it will be seen as siding with one >>> government faction or another. >>> >>> >>> >>> Moreover, it will set a precedent for future such situations. Do we >>> really want ICANN to be making ccTLD decisions in situations of disputed >>> sovereignty? How about Eastern Ukraine or Crimea? What about Biafra or >>> Somaliland if stability in Nigeria or Somalia deteriorate further? What >>> about the Islamic State if it comes to ICANN? >>> >>> >>> >>> If ICANN goes down this road, I think it would create more incentives >>> for governments to stick their noses in ICANN or, heaven forbid, take it to >>> the ITU. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Brett >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Edward Morris >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> Without taking a position on Niels proposal, there is an ongoing issue >>> directly within ICANN's scope related to human rights that I hope we might >>> be able to explore within one of our meetings in Morocco. This concerns >>> delegation of EH. >>> >>> >>> >>> EH is the ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 code for Western Sahara. I should emphasise >>> it is a code under ISO 3166-1, generally national designations, and not >>> 3166-2, which designates subregions. Western Sahara is a territory that is >>> disputed between Morocco and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Although >>> not a UN member, the SADR inc recognised by 80 plus countries, with 40 plus >>> states currently maintaining diplomatic relations with the group. >>> >>> >>> >>> Delegation of the EH ccTLD has been frozen pending negotiations that >>> have been ongoing for decades. There is a territory controlled under >>> various agreements by the SADR, an internationally recognised government, >>> yet they are currently forced to use the Moroccan ccTLD. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd like to learn more about how ICANN deals with situations like these, >>> generally, and the Western Sahara in particular. Is ICANN's policy dictated >>> by the United Stares government? Might / should this change post >>> transition? The CCWG in work stream 2 is going to have a subgroup on >>> jurisdiction, namely that applicable to ICANN. Should we add this topic to >>> it's remit? >>> >>> >>> >>> As we discuss human rights and ICANN in the context of the Morocco >>> meeting I wanted to bring this up. It certainly is within ICANN's scope and >>> mission, involves recognition by ICANN of the sovereignty of the clearly >>> defined internationally recognised group...might be an interesting issue to >>> explore. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for considering, >>> >>> >>> >>> Ed Morris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From*: "Tapani Tarvainen" <[log in to unmask]> >>> *Sent*: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:04 PM >>> *To*: [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject*: Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you Rafik. >>> >>> We do indeed need to be careful here, good intentions do not guarantee >>> good results. Hasty action could easily do more harm than good to both >>> the people in question as well as our future ability to influence >>> ICANN's human rights and other policies. >>> >>> But as I expected, you are clearly aware of all this and well able to >>> evaluate various alternatives and their possible repercussions, so >>> I'm happy you're willing to take the lead on this. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Tapani >>> >>> On Dec 10 11:39, Rafik Dammak ([log in to unmask]) wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Tapani, >>> > >>> > happy to do that, I will first investigate what are the options and >>> what >>> > can be done, discussing with the moroccan friends and locals. I am >>> aware >>> > about the political context and sensitivity in the country, and will >>> get >>> > more info and feedback anyway. >>> > >>> > I saw the latest responses and I think they jumped too quickly to some >>> > conclusion. I didn't see any proposal for protest or something similar >>> such >>> > occupying the space. I don't think those activists would ask for any >>> bold >>> > action or ICANN as organization to take position in the matter. they >>> are >>> > cautious and pragmatic, aware of the limits. we will discuss with them >>> > anyway about the best options, having their safety in mind. >>> > >>> > btw regarding a parallel event, I may respond to that quickly. ADN, the >>> > association, was prevented several times from having public meetings >>> so I >>> > would assume that option doesn't sound realistic. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > >>> > Rafik >>> > >>> > 2015-12-09 23:11 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen < >>> [log in to unmask]>: >>> > >>> > > Hi Niels, >>> > > >>> > > I think this is an excellent idea. >>> > > >>> > > But exactly what and how, that is a difficult question. >>> > > >>> > > Fortunately we have people with local knowledge who can >>> > > help us plan this in more detail. I should think Rafik >>> > > would be in an ideal position to coordinate this effort, >>> > > if his undoubtedly busy schedule allows. >>> > > >>> > > Rafik, what do you think? >>> > > >>> > > Tapani >>> > > >>> > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 10:56:11AM +0100, Niels ten Oever ( >>> > > [log in to unmask]) wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> > > > Hash: SHA256 >>> > > > >>> > > > Dear all, >>> > > > >>> > > > I hope this email finds you well. As you all know, the next ICANN >>> > > > meeting will be in Marrakesh. Morrocco hasn't got a great track >>> record >>> > > > when it comes to human rights, and right now, seven human rights >>> > > > defenders are on trial. >>> > > > >>> > > > I think it would be good if we the NCSG we could give proper >>> attention >>> > > > to this case and invite the human rights defenders to our >>> session(s) >>> > > > so give them support, shed light on their case and call for the >>> > > > protection of freedom of expression in Morrocco. >>> > > > >>> > > > More information on the seven can be found here: >>> > > > >>> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/these-seven-moroccan-human-ri >>> > > > ghts-defenders-are-on-trial >>> > > > >>> > > > and here: >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/international-appeal-to-the-m >>> > > > oroccan-authorities-to-drop-charges-against-human-rights-defenders >>> > > > >>> > > > Am eager to hear from you how you think we could support these >>> > > > colleagues in distress, how we could visibility for their cases and >>> > > > how we could integrate these discussions in our work at ICANN. >>> > > > >>> > > > Best, >>> > > > >>> > > > Niels >>> > > > >>> > > > - -- >>> > > > Niels ten Oever >>> > > > Head of Digital >>> > > > >>> > > > Article 19 >>> > > > www.article19.org >>> > > > >>> > > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 >>> > > > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 >>> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > > > Version: GnuPG v2 >>> > > > >>> > > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWZ/q7AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpnFkH/0qEuk++pW431ne0wYk6us+E >>> > > > xLj4+eFfj2SZlOM9D3Pat4/+qvgrGCHZLWJXAg7pqS0TRNslDQtp1iY/8xb9Xxz/ >>> > > > EBQsu1IQ63pY2mIVwixiBnzMhVso857qf2uAv84j7n/zoQ6MhnkQCdsWWcZvdj+u >>> > > > GakvydpqV3sQio5gRo0ijLCKGzvtSIoHW+99bmmDmSMifadf6vfRK2W0a2E+auIN >>> > > > bn8QJQfW/5GRn62fmlCJC2JeYi80b+TBozV6GbvaGSQvgwZ886lX51DXXqI6oyNL >>> > > > Us8F0VzI9mcQ+tT/P22BbGP8J7RJsQr1sNjgVnnwRQqGkFIbdVfjzbmE+vyPotY= >>> > > > =fVDL >>> > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> > > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *Brett* *Schaefer* >>> >>> * Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs >>> Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security >>> and Foreign Policy* >>> The Heritage Foundation >>> 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE >>> Washington, DC 20002 >>> 202-608-6097 >>> heritage.org >>> >>