Tapani and Rafik,

Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful responses and contributions to clarity around this issue. In terms of what is being asking for here, the questions that should go to the ICANN board and Staff probably should not be asked at the Marrakesh Board meeting. It would be better for them to be asked by an NCSG Finance Committee in the normal process of ICANN budget planning and ICANN financial transparency.

RE: Rafik’s comments about general community support, admin/secretariat support, travel, accommodations, etc., we all know those categories and more transparency there would be welcomed in the name of transparency itself, even if there was little likelihood of NCSG responses in most of those categories. As for the more discretionary expenditures, including special budget requests, it would help Rafik if you would remind us of the links, in ICANN’s forest of documents, where the ICANN financial team decisions are to be found.

As for the point that NCSG doesn't have funds per se, I think that is known by all and not at issue here. What is being suggesting is that NCSG have a better picture of how ICANN funds are being allocated on its behalf, so that it can have an informed view, engage in assessment and offer feedback and advice.

I fully agree with Rafik and Tapani that an NCSG financial committee should be more involved in the ICANN annual budget and operating planning, for strategic planning purposes and to be able to report out to the NCSG constituency.

Re: Tapani’s comments: I will offer to help with the reboot of the NCSG’s Finance Committee (even though I have an almost pathological dislike of accounting). For a start I would like more detail and transparency with regard to all the financial support that goes to the NCSG and its constituencies. It is hard to identify what within that might be of interest if we don’t yet have the numbers. To the extent that parts of NCSG get other non-ICANN funding, it would be useful for the Finance Committee to reflect on how that information might be assembled for reflection.

As I have said above, with a reboot of the NCSG Finance Committee I think that is where the questions should start, to be put to the Board and the ICANN staff, and not in Marrakesh. That would be more effective than to question the Board in an open meeting, where at best they would say that they would look into it. In response to whether or not greater detail and transparency should apply across all SOs/ACs: Yes it should.

As for explaining, or defending, ICANN’s various actions to the world at large, that is a different and greater challenge. I just noted that challenge, and other than more transparency from within, this discussion is not the place for follow up on that front. 

Lastly, Tapani, don’t view this as a chastisement. As organizations mature they evolve. Coming from the organizational membership of NPOC it is likely that different issues float to the top for me than would for those in different constituencies.

Sam L.