On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Shane Kerr <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Seun, > > While ARIN predates ICANN, when ICANN was formed ARIN was still the RIR > for North America, South America, and sub-Saharan Africa. Right > Certainly in > the case of Jamaica, since the official language is English it made a > certain amount of sense for them to have stayed with ARIN as an RIR. > > ...yeah which didn't make sense in the case of ICANN categorization where its not placed under NA but instead under LAC > The Caribbean islands all have unique backgrounds, and I suspect trying > to group them to get any kind of regional consensus is always going to > be problematic. :) > Indeed. The other quite complicated one is the middle east as well; Coming from the AFRINIC region i can say its usually a challenge. Overall there is really not going to be a definite solution to these issues based on geographic and cultural differences. Ultimately just having a template and sticking with knowing its not perfect(and may never be) may be the solution. Cheers! > > Cheers, > > -- > Shane > > At 2016-03-29 21:55:41 +0100 > Seun Ojedeji <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > That particularly amazed me Tracy. There is an ARIN meeting that will be > > holding in Jamaica sometime in April. It was quite interesting for me to > > learn that based on ICANN categorisation, .jm fall under the LAC zone > even > > though it's within the ARIN region (RIR wise). Don't know how much this > > impacts on the work of the NCSG but I believe it does for the At-Large > > community. > > > > Considering that ARIN predates ICANN, one would expect there is already > > existing data set to work with. Nevertheless, I guess there may have been > > some other reason that informed their decision which ofcourse is > currently > > be out of my reach/grasps > > > > Regards > > > > Sent from my LG G4 > > Kindly excuse brevity and typos > > On 29 Mar 2016 9:08 p.m., "Tracy F. Hackshaw" <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > > See ARIN - LACNIC split in the Caribbean region. > > > > > > Sent from my Fire > > > > > > > > > On March 29, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Karel, > > > > > > While that concern was raised, my understanding is that it was not > carried > > > forward into the recommendations. The Working Group did not recommend > > > moving most of the Caribbean region from the ICANN silo of Latin > America to > > > North America because it feared the two regions would be split on > > > geographical and linguistic lines (I would suggest they already are…), > > > among other reasons of “practicality”. It does, however, have > provisions in > > > place to allow a country's government to voluntarily request to move to > > > another region. The procedures around how this would happen have not > yet > > > been developed by Staff. > > > > > > I welcome any comments or suggestions you might have for our statement, > > > and I look forward to reading your additions. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Ayden > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Karel Douglas <[log in to unmask] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Good work - I read the NCUC report which caused me to immediately > > >> read the final report of the WG. > > >> > > >> I'm glad that the issue of the Caribbean region was discussed as it > is a > > >> very topical issue. > > >> > > >> Carlton Samuels was on the WG and would have highlighted the concerns > > >> that we have. > > >> > > >> I will certainly try to add a few comments on your document. > > >> > > >> regards > > >> > > >> Karel > > >> > > >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask] > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hello, team- > > >>> > > >>> I have drafted a response to the final report of the Geographic > Regions > > >>> Review Working Group. Comments are due in about 25 days time but if > we do > > >>> decide to reply, I hope we can submit something in advance of that > > >>> deadline. I've shared my first draft on Google Docs here > > >>> < > https://links8.mixmaxusercontent.com/aMjjKHWxnLSD3SEwj/l/Dd5veWqTH5ASiyVjh?rn=IyczV3YzlGZgc2cj5mI&re=gI1RWZuIXez5idyV2c0NXasB0czV3YzlGZtc2cj5mI > > > > >>> and have also attached it to this email for those without access to > that > > >>> website. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c2vVT2DNO73l89wfZTvKtY70rmaid8g7XBO-Vto9SM/edit > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> You can read the Working Group's final report here: > > >>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/geo-regions-2015-12-23-en > > >>> > > >>> I suspect that we will have a wide birth of opinions on this topic, > so > > >>> please know that I'm very much open to reviewing or rethinking > anything > > >>> that appears in this early draft. I am also new to writing public > comments > > >>> like this one so welcome any feedback you would be kind enough to > share. 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