Dear All, This topic is particularly interesting to me, and I will want to support in part, Milton's point. But as harmless as the endorsement of such campaigns maybe , they go along way to influence major policies especially as it concerns ICT, Internet, Telecommunications,etc policies in Nigeria at least to the best of my understanding of things in recent times. So it will be fair to look at some of the purposes of these campaigns and decide if you will support it or be against it because in the long run they may affect the DNS issues that affect the NCUC members in those regions or countries. Finally individual members should be free to decide to support or not,I believe the NCUC EC or NCSG excos can advice members properly on the issue so that they can make better choices. Thank you, Just my thoughts. Benjamin On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > My dear Friend, > > I see nothing against the campaigns or any individual in this list ready > to support them in Milton´s mail. > > BUT, as part of the NCSG, both NCUC and NPOC are supposed to be doing > policy work for the DNS <period>. NPOC should not be competing with the CWG > on IG or regional ALS. NPCO should be doing its part in ICANNs policy work > together with NCUC and all other constituencies of the the GNSO, BECAUSE > there is a LOT OF WORK PENDING. WE really have to get work done ASAP. > > If the initiatives you suggest are not focused on the DNS policy > initiatives, but on broader objectives, then they can be supported by the > ongoing (and never-ending) CWG on Internet Governance. They can also find > support in AFRALO because of their regional impact. > > My two NPOC cents, but then again some people in NPOC prefer broader IG > work than the tedious policy work…….. > > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) > On 23 Apr 2016, at 6:11, Olévié Kouami wrote: > > Hi ! >> >> +1 @Milton. >> IMHO, in NCUC vision this kind of campaign could be supported only by >> individuals. >> >> We now have similar campaign in an ongoing agenda in Africa be whole such >> as the FastAfrica week (from 1 - 7 May 2016) >> https://webwewant.org/fast-africa/ >> >> And before this : >> African Declaration of Human Rights on Internet >> http://africaninternetrights.org/ >> >> etc. >> >> Dearest all, >> >> I wanted to rebound on MM reaction on this thread to erase once again the >> old debate on NCUC vs NPOC in the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group. I >> finally learnd that the debate was before year 2011, when the NPOC came >> into birth in June 2011. >> >> The NPOC will celebrate it's 5 years old in June. >> >> So, I have a question on particuliarly this action/topic for the NCSG >> leasdership : isn't that, this kind of campaign is related to a >> Not-for-Profit concerns specifically mostly than fo a NC Users ? >> >> As so, IMHO, NPOC as the Not-for-Profit organizations Constituency (like >> AFRICA 2.0) could easily endorse it as a constituency. >> >> Please, It's my humble opinion. But I need to have more clarification >> about >> this problem since I hace join NCSG and NPOC after it birth. >> >> Please, give me more light on this topic few days before the NPOC >> celebration of it's 5 years old ? >> T >> >> 2016-04-21 23:14 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <[log in to unmask]>: >> >> Grace >>> As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we have, >>> I >>> was against it at the time. 😉 >>> My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and >>> before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns and >>> causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making >>> authority. >>> Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long debates that >>> detract >>> from our ability to do the things we are supposed to do. >>> >>> I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too little >>> to do >>> >>> So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal >>> endorsement by NCUC, No. >>> >>> Milton L Mueller >>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <[log in to unmask] >>> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously supported >>> non domain issues that are internet related? >>> >>> Rgds >>> Grace >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400 >>> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign >>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> >>> Yes , +1 and Definitely! >>> >>> This is a good initiative worthy of our support! >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Karel >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Agreed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robin >>> >>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <[log in to unmask]> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> @Milton +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >>>> +506 8837 7176 >>>> Skype: carlos.raulg >>>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >>>> On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these >>>>> >>>> initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many of >>> its >>> members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All does not seem >>> to >>> be a domain name policy issue and I think we had better stick to our >>> basic >>> mission. >>> >>>> >>>>> --MM >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >>>>>> Of >>>>>> James Gannon >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM >>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign >>>>>> >>>>>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an infrastructure >>>>>> >>>>> related >>> >>>> campaign. >>>>>> >>>>>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that this >>>>>> >>>>> may be >>> >>>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to >>>>>> endorse? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >>>>>> >>>>> G." >>> >>>> <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? 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