Wise Words Robin Thank you Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 24 Jun 2016, at 21:50, Robin Gross wrote: > While this lone effort to save the women may have been > well-intentioned, I am also concerned that it will end up being > counter productive. Let’s not become defensive about concerns, but > rather address them in more of a dialogue among the impacted parties. > Of course none of us are in favor of harassment, but I also don’t > think we need to go off on a one man campaign. Let’s try to work > productively together with guidance from the impacted parties leading > the effort on what changes are needed and how best to handle > situations when they arise. > > Thanks, > Robin > >> On Jun 24, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Tatiana Tropina >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I fully support Milton's email. Demanding strong action has to come >> together with strong and thorough safeguards. I don't want to be in >> the atmosphere of fear and intimidation. Vague definitions, unclear >> rules and off the cuff solutions are as dangerous as the problem >> itself. >> Best >> Tatiana >> >> On 24 Jun 2016 18:15, "Edward Morris" <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> Milton, >> >> I'm not going to get involved in juvenile name calling and personal >> attacks. All quotes in may post are accurate and taken from the >> Council list. As for your accusation of "grandstanding" and chest >> beating... >> >> I've spent hours on the telephone with officials and organisations in >> Finland. I have learned law, procedure and established personal >> contacts that will enable me to help those who feel harmed and >> aggrieved. If you want to call that grandstanding go ahead. I call it >> getting off my rear end and solving a problem I see and have >> experienced. >> >> We are not going to have as strong an NCSG team in Helsinki that we >> would otherwise have had because there are women who will no longer >> come to these meetings. That bothers me. I'm told the tech community >> is always sexist, as if that is an excuse. Well, you've been here for >> years Milton and talking to women who have been here a long time as >> well they tell me there have always been problems of this nature. I >> have no way of knowing whether they are telling me the truth or not. >> >> What I do know is what I've experienced: the most paternalistic >> sexist environment I have encountered anywhere in my professional >> life. I look forward to working with you and others to create policy >> to fix this. It should have been done years ago by those who have >> been there all these years. >> >> In the interim, I asm going to ensure that those who feel aggrieved >> are able to access the resources that our host countries have >> established to assist them. One of the advantage predators have is >> the victims at meetings like ICANN are often in a foreign country and >> don't know where to turn. It's a real problem, one I've witnessed >> first hand at ICANN meetings in Singapore and Morocco. I'm doing >> everything I can to take away this predator advantage and ensure that >> ALL conference attendees have access to the resources set up to help >> them by the state and civil society in the Republic of Finland. Each >> attendee is deserved to feel safe in his or her body and to be >> treated respectfully and professionally. >> >> I'm sorry you don't seem to approve of my actions, Milton. Not much I >> can do about that. I've seen too many tears and heard too many >> stories. If I can help one person while ICANN is getting it's act >> together it will be worth the condemnation of the masses. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Ed Morris >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mueller, Milton L" <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 3:56 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Harassment and Helsinki >> >> Ed >> >> >> one of your Councilors who stated “it is my view that we need a >> privacy policy more than a harassment policy “. I could not >> disagree more strongly with that statement. >> >> >> MM: That does not strike me as an accurate statement. My >> understanding is that there were concerns about how personal >> information about accusations is handled. According to an approved >> NCUC statement, we need to be as concerned about the rights of the >> falsely accused as we are about the victim of SH, because of course >> we all know, or should know, that the boundaries are not always clear >> and that people can manipulate or misuse SH charges just as SH >> abusers can manipulate others in a conference setting. >> >> >> MM: I’d like to hear more about those details, and less about how >> strongly you are against SH, Ed. Last time I looked there were no >> defenders or SH on this list. We need to work together on this issue >> and not grandstand – one of the most poisonous things about these >> kinds of issues is that it allows people to beat their chests and >> proclaim how much they are against “bad things” (sexual >> harassment, terrorism, child porn, you name it) while obscuring the >> details about what rights people have and what procedures are >> justified in response. >> >> >> (I am reminded of the Republican primary debates, where the >> candidates vied with each other to say how much they were against >> ISIS, and how “strong” should be the measures we take against it, >> but seem to have overlooked any realistic cause-effect relationship >> between the actions proposed and the factors that have given rise to >> ISIS in the region – including the Iraq war they all supported. But >> I digress…) >> >>