Call for contributions for the retreat: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-call On 03-Jun-16 17:44, avri doria wrote: > Hi, > > I do not mind being shot as a messenger. Always expect it. > > Though I am wondering who you are referring to with 'you' in your message. > > Remember it is a DESA affair: not part of the IGF, just about the IGF. > The MAG has little to do with it except for ask questions. > > BTW, the discussion of recording had to do with of the MAG calls. I > have heard no discussion about recording the retreat. Fortunately you > will have the opportunity to send DESA your message when they ask for > contributions. > > avri > > On 03-Jun-16 08:04, Ayden Férdeline wrote: >> Thanks for providing this update, Avri. >> >> I don't want to shoot the messenger, but like Seun I find the comment >> about the recordings not to be a very compelling one. >> >> I have no issue with a retreat that brings together the right people, >> at the right time, for the right reasons, with the right process. I >> see this as an opportunity for the IGF to take stock, build the >> strategic muscle needed to see the IGF in new and refreshed ways, and >> to give a turbo boost to certain matters that need attention. >> >> I have been silent on this issue for the past fortnight because I >> believe that extraneous participation benefits no one. If people don’t >> have a vested interest in the process, don’t have the knowledge to >> contribute, and there’s no need to build their buy-in, it may not be >> useful for them to attend the retreat, online or in person. >> >> However, there is no reason for activities that will lead to meaty >> discussions and, in turn, outcomes that will impact people outside of >> the room, to not be recorded. There should be full transcripts made >> available of all conversations facilitated by the organisers. I also >> oppose the use of the Chatham House rule at the retreat — if your idea >> is so great, say it on the record and attribute it to your name and/or >> organisation. You are being entrusted to shape the future direction of >> the IGF for the next 10 years, so there should be a full and accurate >> record of events so we can look back, check in every year, and keep >> your work alive. >> >> Just my $0.02. >> >> Ayden >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 12:31 PM, William Drake [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Thanks Shane. I’m familiar with the rule. We don’t use it in the >> IGF, for various reasons, at least not since the early tense days >> of the MAG. >> >> Bill >> >> >>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:13, Shane Kerr <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> William, >>> >>> At 2016-06-03 11:13:55 +0200 >>> William Drake <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 02:06, avri doria <[log in to unmask] >>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chatham House style (content w/o attribution) >>>> In true bottom up transparent community driven IGF fashion….not. >>> To be honest, that doesn't seem too horrible. The Chatham House >>> rule is >>> there for a reason: >>> >>> Q. What are the benefits of using the Rule? >>> >>> A. It allows people to speak as individuals, and to express views >>> that may not be those of their organizations, and therefore it >>> encourages free discussion. People usually feel more relaxed if >>> they don't have to worry about their reputation or the >>> implications >>> if they are publicly quoted. >>> >>> https://www.chathamhouse.org/about/chatham-house-rule >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> -- >>> Shane - speaking only for myself ;) >> >> ************************************************************* >> William J. Drake >> International Fellow & Lecturer >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >> University of Zurich, Switzerland >> [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> (direct), [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> (lists), >> www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org> >> /The Working Group on Internet Governance - 10th >> Anniversary Reflections/ >> New book at http://amzn.to/22hWZxC >> ************************************************************* >> >> >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus