+1 Sam *WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)* E-government and Open Government Data Platforms Specialist National Information Technology Agency (NITA)/ Ghana Open Data Initiative Project. ICANN Fellow / Member, UN IGF MAG Member, ISOC Member, Freedom Online Coalition (FOC) Member, Diplo Foundation Member, OGP Open Data WG Member, GODAN Memember, ITAG Member Email: [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] Skype: wisdom_dk facebook: facebook@wisdom_dk Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Bill, > > The core issue for me is "Who is minding the kitchen at home?". I have > worked for years (decades) in other areas where the stakeholders try to > deal with domestic/national issues by only engaging in struggles on the > global stage. That is a very limited strategy, and even more so here. > Internet Citizenship will require vigilance and active participation "at > home". Unless one engages in those governance struggles at home, there will > be limited success with governance issues in multilateral organizations, > and even less at home. It may feel good to speak on a global stage, but if > one's own government is not listening it is of limited impact. > > The Internet governance table needs three multistakeholder engagement > legs: 1. within ICANN; 2. within the multilateral venues; 3. within the > national venues. With (or without) the IANA Transition the ICANN remit will > be more clearly delineated by internal and external forces. There will be a > smaller and more compact ICANN. What happens at multilateral venues depends > on what is happening at national levels. Except in the case of very > repressive regimes, there need to be struggles around the creation of > new/better multistakeholder Internet governance processes within countries. > Without that there will be little progress at the multilateral level. > > As for the claim of "undesirable on some grounds or another", in part that > reflects: (a) special interest concerns about the balance of power, but it > also reflects: (b) ambiguity about the relationship between > multistakeholder representation and democratic processes. The first is > mainly a power struggle but the second is a serious issue that requires > deeper exploration beyond what ever policy issues are at hand. > > Sam L. > > *On 6/6/2016 9:19 AM, William Drake wrote:* > > *Sam you don’t sound one key to me. But your comment does point to one > small matter…many of the folks have insisted that * > > *a] ICANN stick to a narrow construction of its mandate and role and that > a big chunk of what governments and other stakeholders around the world > care about is hence to be dealt with ‘somewhere else;’ * > *b] every effort to create a new multistakeholder processes that could > maybe grow to help be that somewhere else has been undesirable on some > grounds or another; * > *c] every effort to create a new intergovernmental processes that could > maybe grow to help be that somewhere else has been undesirable on some > grounds or another.* > > *Which leaves us back with the same discussions from 2330-2005 replaying > over and over and many G77 governments unhappy and China and the ITU and > others working to fill perceive voids etc. Some believe that > industrialized country governments and business can just keep saying > nothing is needed other than extant international/transnational > arrangements and national policies, but to other ears this just sounds like > a control game. We’ll see how long this status quo can be maintained.* > > *Bill* > > > On Jun 6, 2016, at 14:39, Sam Lanfranco < <[log in to unmask]> > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I may sound like a piano with one key in re-making the following (possibly > unpopular) observation: > > The Internet ecosystem has matured over the past 15 years and more and > more stakeholders, including nation states, have acquired a deeper > realization of what their stakes are in the boarder Internet ecosystem. > Much of that territory is outside ICANN's remit and presents them with > governance issues. There is no doubt that a sort of Internet ecosystem > "enclosure movement" is coming, with elements national and multilateral > ecosystem governance on the horizon. Within this there is a confusion > around what is, and what is not, within ICANN's DNS remit. So long as > stakeholders outside ICANN do not understand the scope and limits of > ICANN's remit there will be confusion on the part of nation states and > other stakeholder constituencies as they operate in their individual > interest and the public interest. This increases the risks of working at > cross purposes where there should be collaboration. Are there any lessons > in this confusion? I think so. > > > - As ICANN stakeholders work hard and in earnest on issues within > ICANN's remit, more attention must be paid to helping others understand the > limits of ICANN's remit, and not just to understand better what ICANN does > within its remit. > - We have to help stakeholders within ICANN and within the wider > Internet ecosystem (including ICANN) that it is important to help shape and > participate in those governance processes that reside beyond ICANN's remit. > > > Sam L. > > On 6/6/2016 5:07 AM, William Drake wrote: > > > On Jun 6, 2016, at 11:00, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > My understanding is that UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a > "conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their "business as > usual". And they have not yet understood that the 21st century is different > from the 20th century. They have not yet understood that the > multistakeholder model is not based on the principle of national > sovereignty of UN member states but on principles like openess, > transparency, equal Access for all governmental and non-governmental > stakeholderrs, bottom up policy development, rough consenus and running > code. > > > I *want* to believe this interpretation and wish there were visible data > points supporting it. > > Bill > > > > > ************************************************************* > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > [log in to unmask] (direct), <[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask] > (lists), > www.williamdrake.org > *The Working Group on Internet Governance - 10th Anniversary Reflections* > New book at http://amzn.to/22hWZxC > ************************************************************* > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured > in an unjust state" -Confucius > 邦有道,贫且贱焉,耻也。邦无道,富且贵焉,耻也 > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) > Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 > email: [log in to unmask] Skype: slanfranco > blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > >