Great ! Il prefer when its finished like this. Warm regards to all. -Olévé-$ 2016-06-15 14:18 GMT+00:00 Arsène Tungali <[log in to unmask]>: > Thanks Ayden, > > I appreciate your kindness and willingness to see things move forward. > Also thanks for having elaborated more on your intentions and comments. It > is more clear to me. > > Let's keep in touch, > A > > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali** > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum > <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>* > Tel: +243 993810967 > GPG: 523644A0 > *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* > > 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow > <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> > (YALI) - ISOC IGF Ambassador > <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors> > <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>- > > Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow > <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The > HuffingtonPost UK > <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html> > > 2016-06-15 16:10 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>: > >> Hi Arsène, >> >> Of course this can be flagged if that is the view of the community. I was >> speaking in my personal capacity when I suggested it was not helpful to >> raise this issue in our response to this consultation exercise – it is also >> why I noted that I will be responding to this consultation individually, >> because I am aware that my views on the Fellowship programme probably do >> not align with those of everyone in the NCSG. >> >> But to your question, my rationale here is that it is very easy to ask >> for too much and not to recognise everything we have gained along the way. >> The proposed changes to the Fellowship programme go above and beyond what >> most would have reasonably asked for. We now have something on the table >> that is goal-driven and merit-based. It is also more inclusive, on every >> metric, than its predecessor. >> >> It is my view that we should thank ICANN staff for seeking to redesign >> the Fellowship programme so to advance the goals of ICANN’s unique, >> participatory multistakeholder approach to governance. Of course this is >> not a substitution for all the advocacy and engagement work that ICANN >> staff do around the world, which will and should continue, but it’s an >> excellent evolution. >> >> The strongest arguments we can make, in any consultation response we >> write, are those supported by evidence. If we have mechanisms through which >> we can eliminate linguistic hurdles, let’s make them known to ICANN staff. >> But machine translation is not there yet. And how much would human >> translation / simultaneous interpretation into seven languages cost? I >> haven’t priced it but I’m willing to guess it’s expensive. >> >> I’m sorry if you found my comments arrogant. That wasn’t my intention. >> I’m just not a huge fan of asking for blank cheques to be written, and I >> like to give credit where credit is due. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 2:54 PM, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask] >> wrote: >> >>> Ayden, >>> >>> You have spoken some true reality and I pretty much agree with the >>> challenges the world have in so many other platforms or organizations >>> related to language. This is not only about ICANN but for so many other >>> organizations dealing with ICT Policy, etc. And I am glad you presented >>> some innovative ways people like us are relying on to better participate or >>> contribute to ICANN's work. >>> >>> But i don't like the way you point or present your arguments, the way >>> you explain those challenges, I am tempted to say, in an arrogant way (not >>> to be taken parsonal but due to language barrier, i couldn't find a better >>> word :) ), which is not really helpful at all. >>> >>> I also don't know why you think the NCSG should not point this reality >>> if they wish to make comments. We represent CS interest and this can be >>> considered as a barrier to CS participation to ICANN's work. >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> **Arsène Tungali** >>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*, >>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa >>> Forum <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>* >>> Tel: +243 993810967 >>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* >>> >>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>> (YALI) - ISOC IGF Ambassador >>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors> >>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>- >>> >>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow >>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The >>> HuffingtonPost UK >>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html> >>> >>> 2016-06-15 15:37 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>: >>> >>> It’s not that I disagree with you, Arsène – because I don’t, and I >>> actually identified this as a barrier to participation in my earlier email >>> – but I don’t think it is helpful to flag this obstacle if the NCSG >>> responds to the consultation. My feeling is that this is a known hurdle >>> which cannot easily be addressed until machine translation advances to a >>> satisfactory standard. This is a painful reality because linguistic >>> diversity is very important. But like it or not we are constrained by >>> resources and so we need a common language. English has become the lingua >>> franca of Internet policy; maybe it shouldn’t be, maybe that should be >>> Portuguese or French another tongue, but it is. So in theory we could keep >>> ICANN’s language services team very busy translating all the traffic on the >>> fellowship mailing lists and Facebook groups, helping break down barriers >>> to participation, but given ICANN’s website is barely translated into >>> languages other than English, in practice I think we need to make better >>> use of their time. I think it’s quite reasonable to expect that all >>> public-facing documents are translated by ICANN into the seven official >>> languages. Maybe more face-to-face sessions and working group calls should >>> have simultaneous interpretation too. And I would like all sessions to have >>> live captioning. But I respectfully submit that this is not a discussion >>> for the renewed focus of the Fellowship programme. >>> >>> - Ayden >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 2:15 PM, Mamadou LO [log in to unmask] wrote: >>> >>> +1 Arsene TUNGALI >>> >>> >>> >>> *=================================================================== >>> Mamadou LO* >>> Chef du Département Communication et Information Documentaire >>> Head of Communication and Information Department >>> Crédit Agricole Sénégal >>> Tel : 221 77 645 59 57 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De :* NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]> de la part de >>> Arsène Tungali <[log in to unmask]> >>> *Envoyé :* mercredi 15 juin 2016 13:06 >>> *À :* [log in to unmask] >>> *Objet :* Re: ICANN Fellowship Program Application Process Review >>> >>> Just a quick reaction, >>> >>> Fellows shouldn't be expected to speak English to be selected because >>> ICANN meetings work with all UN languages (though English is their working >>> language). It is still indeed a barrier because the application form is in >>> English and I remember having serious issues to fill it some time ago (as a >>> native French speaker). >>> >>> I think this needs to be looked into very seriously to ensure inclusion >>> and diversity >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> **Arsène Tungali** >>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*, >>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa >>> Forum <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>* >>> Tel: +243 993810967 >>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* >>> >>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>> (YALI) - ISOC IGF Ambassador >>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors> >>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>- >>> >>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow >>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The >>> HuffingtonPost UK >>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html> >>> >>> 2016-06-15 14:06 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>: >>> >>> Thanks for sharing this, Mamadou. Mama J has proposed some very sensible >>> changes to the Fellowship programme here. I will review the supporting >>> documents more closely over the coming weeks and respond to the >>> consultation activity in my personal capacity, but I would hope that this >>> renewed mandate and focus of the Fellowship programme is something we as >>> the NCSG are able to support. From a cursory glance at the documents, I'm >>> glad to see that we now acknowledge that there are factors other than >>> nationality which contribute to inequality — so trying to bring voices in >>> from women, indigenous people, the LGBT community, and those with >>> disabilities is a push we need. I would also suggest that linguistic >>> barriers remain in this proposal (I believe Fellows must speak English to >>> participate?), but that's a much harder obstacle to overcome and I >>> certainly don't have any solutions. The proposed changes to the Fellowship >>> programme will see it being more goal-driven and merit-based: it has my >>> support. >>> >>> - Ayden >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 12:52 PM, Mamadou LO [log in to unmask] wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> Mamadou >>> >>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:15 AM >>> *Subject:* ICANN News Alert -- ICANN Fellowship Program Application >>> Process Review >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> >>> News Alert >>> >>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-14-en >>> ------------------------------ >>> ICANN Fellowship Program Application Process Review >>> >>> 14 June 2016 >>> >>> *Open Date:* >>> >>> 14 June 2016 >>> >>> *Close Date:* >>> >>> 29 July 2016 >>> >>> *Originating Organization:* >>> >>> Development and Public Responsibility Department >>> >>> *Categories/Tags:* >>> >>> Reviews/Improvements >>> >>> *Brief Overview:* >>> >>> Leading up to the ten-year anniversary of ICANN's Fellowship program, >>> the organization has evaluated this successful initiative in order to >>> address the needs of the global community and provide appropriate >>> enhancements to ensure that the program will continue to thrive while >>> addressing today's ICANN and its capacity-building needs. In this regard, >>> the ICANN staff have identified areas of improvement, mainly to the >>> language used to describe Applicant Selection Criteria and the application >>> assessment process. In doing so, ICANN staff is looking to ensure that the >>> Fellowship selection process remains accountable, transparent, and >>> independent while continuing to strengthen the ICANN Multistakeholder Model. >>> >>> *Link:* >>> >>> >>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/fellowship-application-process-review-2016-06-14-en >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fellowships-alumni mailing list >>> [log in to unmask] >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/fellowships-alumni >>> >>> >>> >>> Ayden Férdeline >>> Statement of Interest >>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ayden Férdeline >>> Statement of Interest >>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Ayden Férdeline >> Statement of Interest >> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI> >> > > -- *Olévié Ayaovi Agbenyo KOUAMI* *Directeur-Adjoint de O and K IT SOLUTIONS sarl **Editeur de logiciels de gestion (PGI/ERP) S.I.G.E. 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