Indeed, if we get any money before we figure out all those things you describe, we will have a problem bigger than any of the previous ones mentioned...Something to think about. Fortunately I doubt Sam can find any rabbits up his sleeve so we have time to figure out structures and goals. SP On 2016-07-04 21:14, Dan Krimm wrote: > Oh, I hope you don't just dump that all on Sam and expect him to magically > pull a rabbit out of a hat single-handedly! > > Who's going to give, and for what purpose precisely? Especially if it > isn't tax deductible. > > In normal NGOs that are successful raising funds, there is a separate > governing board (of a formally incorporated body) that is deeply involved > in the "ask" process, according to the "give, get, or go" maxim. > > Transparent accountability is of course the first prerequisite for any of > that, but you have to have a compelling organizational structure and > mission in place in order to make a case for funding. But generally > speaking with nonprofit orgs, it is a Board that leads with their wallets > and networks from the top down -- the Board has the fiduciary duty to > support the org, and donors want to see that they are putting their money > where their mouths are, as a first step. > > I thought Avri was joking, or commenting ironically on deficiencies in the > SG and constituency charters... > > ? > > Dan > > > > At 8:42 PM -0400 7/4/16, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >> Content-Type: text/html >> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx2.syr.edu id >> u650gRwM016617 >> >> Sounds elegant in its simplicity, but is it acceptable in terms of >> accounting practice? Do all jurisdictions allow un-incorporated >> organizations to open accounts? If the answer to those questions is yes, >> then this might solve one of our problems. The next problem is a bigger >> one: we don't have any money in NCSG.....:-) Here is hoping Sam can solve >> that one for us. >> >> Stephanie Perrin >> >> On 2016-07-04 20:10, Ron Wickersham wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2016, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >>> >>>> As Chair of the NCSG finance committee I see our remit as doing the >>>> research to identify best practices here, identify >>>> the pluses and minuses of different strategies, and placing that >>>> information on the table for all to see, and some to use. >>>> >>>> It is possible to set up an unincorporated entity account in a Canadian >>>> bank, >>>> with full services across currencies, and with two signatures for >>>> disbursal of funds. >>>> The handicap there is the need for individual physical bank visits to >>>> change signing authority. >>>> >>> Hi Sam, >>> >>> Could you consider the strategy of each new Treasurer to set up an account >>> that is convenient in his or her circumstances (travel, citizenship, local >>> banking laws, etc.) and that as soon as that new account is ready to >>> accept funds, all the money in the old account is transferred to the new >>> one? >>> >>> This means that there is no longer the requirement of an "eternal" account >>> in the name of NCSG where control of that account is transferred, which >>> as you point out has some big issues if someone distant takes over the >>> responsibilities of Treasurer. >>> >>> In the absence of any bylaws or formation documents that preclude this >>> approach, it seems to me that the NCSG process that selects the Treasurer >>> could also approve this method of conducting the Treasurer's business. >>> >>> -ron