right it is not part of the 800 or so sector members…… Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 8 Aug 2016, at 9:15, avri doria wrote: > As far as I know ICANN is not a sector member of the ITU. > > avri > > > On 08-Aug-16 09:44, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. wrote: >> I see a few hundred of stakeholders in ITU (Sector members). Even >> ISOC. But I don’t see ICANN >> >> >> https://www.itu.int/online/mm/scripts/gensel11 >> >> >> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >> +506 8837 7176 >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >> On 8 Aug 2016, at 7:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >> >>> And ICANN is a "stakeholder without standing" in the ITU. As Internet >>> governance comes of age it will transpire in many locations and at >>> many levels. >>> Just like stakeholders within ICANN, ICANN will have to figure out >>> how to be everywhere almost all the time to deal with policy issues >>> that impinge on its remit. >>> >>> Sam L. >>> >>> On 2016-08-07 8:47 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> But I guess GAC has less well-defined institutional dynamics than >>>>> ITU. Is that >>>>> the difference you're getting at? -- I'm no expert on ITU either...) >>>>> >>>>> Or, are we now considering governments "stakeholders" too? If so, >>>>> why not >>>>> just make GAC a garden-variety SG in GNSO? The "GSG" -- Government >>>>> Stakeholder Group? >>>> Bingo. That's what is happening. >>>> >>>>> I may not be expert in the implications of the term of art >>>>> "multilateral" >>>>> but I honestly don't see much difference in ICANN being whip-tailed >>>>> by GAC or >>>>> ITU if the dynamic is comparable. Can you elaborate on this >>>>> distinction? >>>> The difference is that an ICANN completely dominated by governments >>>> is worse than the ITU because ICANN has global hierarchical power >>>> over the DNS, whereas as a treaty-based organization the ITU cannot >>>> make any sovereign member do something it doesn't want to do. When >>>> ICANN imposes rules on how DNS works however, it has global effect. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *--------------------------------------------* >>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured >>> in an unjust state" -Confucius >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) >>> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 >>> YorkU email: [log in to unmask] Skype: slanfranco >>> blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >>> Phone: 613 476-0429 cell: 416-816-2852 >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus