Hi Sam, 2016-09-08 2:52 GMT+09:00 Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]>: > Carlos and Paul, > > I am just opening up discussion here. In response to Carlos' question, > individuals get 1 vote, small organizations get 2 votes, and large > organizations get 4 votes. Organizations cannot spread their votes, they > are all assigned to a single candidate when a vote is placed. It does mean > however that an individual can join NCSG as an individual, and as the > representative of an organization. With quick look at the membership > spreadsheet I was able to identify at least two of our colleagues who have > 5 votes each. [*Note: the membership list includes some memberships that > should be deleted (through withdrawal, or demise of the individual or the > organization) but they cannot and did not vote so no harm on that front* > ]. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o0n2H5xkTPmon8K8wbFg > 0dAZTouHWgkWjcyNsSs_YXw/edit#gid=0 > This is why we are working on an improved NCSG/NCUC/NPOC membership > management process at the moment. > > maybe to clarify this: as you noticed already there are few cases. What happened is that usually a person joined NCSG as individual first and encouraged his organization to join later on or that s/he joined as individual member afterwards to keep being involved after leaving his organization and continuing to be involved in ICANN. the NCSG Executive committee review such applications case per case and make decision (e.g. many staff of same organization trying to join and that is covered in the charter) from the NCSG charter: *3. An Individual who is employed by or a member of a non-member noncommercial organization (universities, colleges, large NGOs) can join NCSG in his or her individual capacity if their organization has not already joined the NCSG. The Executive Committee shall, at its discretion, determine limits to the total number of Individual members who can join from any single organization (provided the limit shall apply to all Organizations, of the same size category, equally).* *An individual who is a member of or employee of a noncommercial organization, which is itself a member of the NCSG, may apply for, or retain membership, in the NCSG only under the first criteria for individual membership, i.e. be an individual noncommercial registrant. Such membership is subject to Executive Committee review.* In response to Paul's query, again it is just to put issues on the table. > Do the representatives of large organizations, with their 4 votes, poll > their organizations to see how they should vote? I don't know. Is it better > for large organizations to have 4 votes, or to recruit more members > (hopefully engaged in NCSG work) to carry more weight? Worth discussing. As > it is, any organization (or clique of individuals) could stage a > "registration arms race" as you put it. As comment around the election > said, NCSG needs more worker bees (Stephanie Perrin's term) and certainly > doesn't need registration arms race drones. Not taking a position here. > Just asking. > > organization members have 1 main representative who is the only one to get the ballot and vote, they can have also an alternate or secondary representative in the list or not. few organizations asked to get few additional staff to be add to the NCSG list as observers when they want to get more involved and participate. unfortunately, it is a rare case (we need more folks participating). as per the charter, we have already some guidance with the "registration arms race" case. I don't see why the weighted vote should be linked to number of representatives. regarding representatives polling their organizations, I think as you are representative for CSIH you may give insight on how you are doing that currently. at the end it is an internal decision within the organization and NCSG EC can only check that the representative belongs to the organization or not during check-in process or representative replacement. Best, Rafik Sam Lanfranco > > > > > > On 9/7/2016 1:12 PM, Carlos Vera wrote: > > Multiple voting rights mean: > > 1. More than one vote per organization or person? > 2. More weight for some votes and some ponderation factor? > 3. Multiple chances to vote the same person or organization with the same > ballot? > > Some other meaning? > Can you please explain? > Thank you > Carlos Vera > Enviado desde mi smartphone BlackBerry 10. > *De: *Paul Rosenzweig > *Enviado: *miércoles, 7 de septiembre de 2016 12:07 > *Para: *[log in to unmask] > *Responder a: *Paul Rosenzweig > *Asunto: *Re: Detailed election results > > I curious Sam as to why you want to review. Full context, of course, is > that I’m part of a large organization. But if you change the rules, I am > quite certain I can get more than 4 (many more than 4) individuals from the > organization to sign up. And that’s also true, I’m sure of the other > organizations, including some of those I often disagree with. The 4N limit > is kind of a cap on a registration arms race … > > Paul > > > > Paul Rosenzweig > > [log in to unmask] > > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 > > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 > > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 > > www.redbranchconsulting.com > > My PGP Key: http://redbranchconsulting.com/who-we-are/public-pgp-key/ > > > > *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lanfranco > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 11:19 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Detailed election results > > > > There was a maximum of 349 votes registered based on 247 ballots counted. > That means that there were 102 “extra votes” from voters with multiple > voting rights. > A third or more of the votes cast were based on extra voting rights. > > I would hope that the issue of multiple voting rights is also reviewed. > As well, a pointer to where the rules for multiple voting rights are > listed, > and how organizational size is determined, and monitored, would be useful. > That would assist the rest of us in developing an informed opinion here. > Is there a location on the ICANN or NCSG websites that discloses who, > representing what organizations, has multiple voting rights? > ---------------------------------------------------------- > *Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):* 282 > *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 247 > *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 76 > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sam Lanfranco > > >