+1 Thanks Bill: "I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have noted that there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of outright competition between At-Large and the GNSO’s Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, with the Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC).” "I don’t know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions..., but in my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or competition. I can’t see how such vague assertions unconnected to anything real are helpful." Norbert Klein On 1.2.2017 11:37 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > >> On Feb 1, 2017, at 16:43, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> On the ICANN wiki, ICANN staff have uploaded a new draft of the >> report of the Review of the At-Large Community. You can read it in >> PDF format here: >> https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/Review+of+the+ICANN+At-Large+Community+-+Draft+Report+for+Public+Comment >> >> The report will open for public comment today, and I think it is >> important we respond (and also read it closely to see whether or not >> there are any lessons we can learn, ahead of the GNSO Review). To aid >> us in drafting our comments, I am going to compare the changes in >> this second draft against those from the initial report released in >> December — before members of the At-Large Review Working Party >> requested signifiant revisions — and I'll try to produce a redlined >> version, which I'll share on our list. The initial draft was an >> honest assessment of At-Large. A cursory glance at the revisions in >> this new draft suggests the inclusion of flowery language praising >> the current leadership of At-Large for their stewardship of the >> community over time; I hope the original recommendations have not >> been materially toned down, but I haven't read the report close >> enough just yet to assess whether or not this is the case. > > Thanks Ayden for the offer. I hope that in any comment we submit we > bring a little clarity to the section on "Mission overlap with NCUC & > NPOC.” I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have > noted that there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of > outright competition between At-Large and the GNSO’s > Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, > with the Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC).” I > don’t know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions (feels a > bit like the Westlake Report all over again), but in my 3 years as > NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or competition. I > can’t see how such vague assertions unconnected to anything real are > helpful. Moreover, the authors say the differences between NCSG and > ALAC are simply that > > • - The role of the ALAC is to provide advice on policy and other > issues being discussed within ICANN that have implications for end users. > • - The role of NCUC and NPOC, as constituencies of the > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) within the GNSO, is to provide > policy advice related to work of the policy- development function > within the GNSO > > One would think that the fact that At Large is a multistakeholder > formation with a lot of folks from various commercial parts of the > community merits mention. Of course there are civil society folks > there too and some of us have participated extensively in AL, but on > the whole we are talking about very different beasts, and not simply > because of the AC/SO roles. > > Sigh… > > Cheers > > Bill > > > ************************************************ > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> (direct), > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> (lists), > www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org> > ************************************************ >