But Wolfgang, the elections were abolished. (The wrong people won the elections). Civil society was disempowered and at large turned into an ICANN-managed playpen. So yes, let's not forget history. > -----Original Message----- > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" > Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:01 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: AW: [NCSG-Discuss] At-Large Review - new draft report > > Don´t forget history. In the original plan of the first Bylaws from 1998 "At > Large" was the place for civil society/individual users. The At Large election > was driven by activities of civil society groups. This played also a crucial role in > the early phase of WSIS where ICANNs At Large was the driving force behind > the CS IG Caucus. (see attachment) > > wolfgang > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: NCSG-Discuss im Auftrag von Olévié Kouami > Gesendet: Do 02.02.2017 22:34 > An: [log in to unmask] > Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] At-Large Review - new draft report > > The competition is coming very soon, i imagine. > Wait and see. > Le 2 févr. 2017 12:52, "Norbert Klein" <[log in to unmask]> a écrit : > > > +1 > > > > Thanks Bill: > > "I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have noted > > that there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of > > outright competition between At-Large and the GNSO's Non-Commercial > > Users Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, with the > > Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)." > > > > "I don't know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions..., but > > in my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or > > competition. I can't see how such vague assertions unconnected to > > anything real are helpful." > > > > > > Norbert Klein > > > > > > On 1.2.2017 11:37 PM, William Drake wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 16:43, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask] > > <[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > > > On the ICANN wiki, ICANN staff have uploaded a new draft of the report > > of the Review of the At-Large Community. You can read it in PDF format > here: > > https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/Review+of+the+ > > ICANN+At-Large+Community+-+Draft+Report+for+Public+Comment > > > > The report will open for public comment today, and I think it is > > important we respond (and also read it closely to see whether or not > > there are any lessons we can learn, ahead of the GNSO Review). To aid > > us in drafting our comments, I am going to compare the changes in this > > second draft against those from the initial report released in > > December - before members of the At-Large Review Working Party > > requested signifiant revisions - and I'll try to produce a redlined > > version, which I'll share on our list. The initial draft was an honest > > assessment of At-Large. A cursory glance at the revisions in this new > > draft suggests the inclusion of flowery language praising the current > > leadership of At-Large for their stewardship of the community over > > time; I hope the original recommendations have not been materially > > toned down, but I haven't read the report close enough just yet to assess > whether or not this is the case. > > > > > > Thanks Ayden for the offer. I hope that in any comment we submit we > > bring a little clarity to the section on "Mission overlap with NCUC & > > NPOC." I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have > > noted that there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of > > outright competition between At-Large and the GNSO's Non-Commercial > > Users Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, with the > > Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)." I don't know > among whom these are "widely shared" > > perceptions (feels a bit like the Westlake Report all over again), but > > in my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or > > competition. I can't see how such vague assertions unconnected to > > anything real are helpful. Moreover, the authors say the differences > > between NCSG and ALAC are simply that > > > > . - The role of the ALAC is to provide advice on policy and other > > issues being discussed within ICANN that have implications for end users. > > . - The role of NCUC and NPOC, as constituencies of the > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) within the GNSO, is to provide > > policy advice related to work of the policy- development function > > within the GNSO > > > > One would think that the fact that At Large is a multistakeholder > > formation with a lot of folks from various commercial parts of the > > community merits mention. Of course there are civil society folks > > there too and some of us have participated extensively in AL, but on > > the whole we are talking about very different beasts, and not simply > > because of the AC/SO roles. > > > > Sigh. > > > > Cheers > > > > Bill > > > > > > ************************************************ > > William J. Drake > > International Fellow & Lecturer > > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > > University of Zurich, Switzerland > > [log in to unmask] (direct), [log in to unmask] (lists), > > www.williamdrake.org > > ************************************************ > > > > > > >