Dear Judith, *Just to clarify: I didnt state that we shouldn't be talking about wars/conflicts or politics.* I just suggested a separation amongst those since the sustainability conversation might be something we might need to present a position soon, depending on how the discussion goes. At the opportunity, I would also like to express that I am personally upset and uncomfortable by how the ICANN community has been expressing themselves in light of the palestinian/Israel situation versus how much mobilization we have seen in the Ukrainian invasion case. Neither do I agree on the removal of the mural w/ the palestinian flag that was done during ICANN78. As much as I understand folks that claim that we can be "Neutral" and the technical nature of the discussions we promote within ICANN, I dont really believe our community can remain completely apart from such pressing and relevant issues. But given this is a rather complex and sad conflict I support our leadership suggestion of refraining from putting forward discussions of this nature on the list. Kind regards, Bruna On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 1:23 PM Judith Hellerstein <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > HI Bruna, > I agree with you. The operational policy issues such as sustainability > and travel do need to be separated out from this list. > > As July stated, Politics, war/conflicts should not be discussed within > ICANN nor should NCSG, NPOC or NCUC be promoting or discussing these. > > Best, > Judith > > Sent from my iPad > [log in to unmask] > Skype ID:JudithHellerstein > > On Nov 1, 2023, at 7:59 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Thanks for the clarification. > > My only suggestion would be for us to separate issues like politics or > war/conflicts going on in the world from other topics that might be related > to discussions being promoted at icann like a more sustainable approach to > travel or the virtual x in person and so on. > > And in the latter it might be relevant to ask members whether they would > like to develop a position on it since these topics might pick up in > upcoming debates at ICANN. > > Kind Regards, > Bruna > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 12:03 PM Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> After some discussions during ICANN78, we would like to remind >> that while NCSG has clear positions on many issues, there are >> others, such as the Israel/Hamas conflict, sustainability and >> virtual versus face to face meeting policy as well as sanctions, >> where not only there is no official NCSG position, but our members >> have strong opposing opinions. With some of these issues we should >> probably develop official positions, while others might be outside >> or remits, and some are such that it might be impossible to arrive >> at a common position. >> >> Wile we are of course encouraging everyone to feel free to express >> and support any position they want, we would like to ask you to >> make it totally clear that you are speaking in personal capacity >> and that your view in no way constitutes an official NCSG/NPOC/NCUC >> position. >> >> Julf Helsingius, NCSG Chair >> Tomslin Samme-Nlar, NCSG Policy Committee Chair >> Benjamin Akinmoyeje, NCUC Chair >> Juan Manuel Rojas, NPOC Chair >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ncuc-discuss mailing list >> [log in to unmask] >> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss >> > > > -- > > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <http://digitalaction.co> > > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von > Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/> > > Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/> > > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype: > bruna.martinsantos > Email: [log in to unmask] > > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <http://digitalaction.co> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype: bruna.martinsantos Email: [log in to unmask]