*Hello All,* *With permission from Kathy, i have shared her notes on google docs for your comments and contributions here: * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hfCHp9bFE9UiDva6fqS25Q0G0vnOOQoV3o2iGytC_Sc/edit?usp=sharing Special thanks to our hosts *Farzi and Reg Levy (Tucows) .* *Martha Omoekpen Alade*Founder and Executive Director, WITIN *WITIN.org/impact <https://witin.org/impact>* : *21 years of impact- year by year -increasing Women and Girls' Representation in the Digital Ecosystem* On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 6:31 PM Kathy Kleiman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > *Congratulations to Farzi and Reg Levy (Tucows) for leading a truly > interesting and information meeting on the new "DNS Abuse Amendments"!! * > > Let me start the notes - and invite those who were on the call to add > their thoughts to my notes below (with a different color, perhaps). *What > I learned is *the Contracted Party House sought to put definitions on > "DNS Abuse" as we have understood them in ICANN over the last few years. > Specifically, phishing, pharming, malware, botnets and spam as a delivery > mechanism for the above (e.g., spam with phishing requests). > > Farzi and NCSG raised concerned for oversight and accountability: how to > we monitor that the limited definitions of DNS Abuse are observed; how do > we keep know when organizations (such as Law Enforcement) are asking for > much, much more? > > NCSG discussed the needs for Human Rights understandings and impact > assessments, and offered to help provide analyses. We raised concerns about > transparency and due process, about human rights concerns, and free > expression, and the limits of the scope of ICANN and what registries and > registrars should be doing. > > I raised the concern of the "Slipperly Slope" - what some people think of > as "DNS Abuse" is much broader than the definitions now in the contract > (and above). "DNS Abuse," for some can mean any content on the Internet > they don't like, and that can include the type of political, personal, > ethnic and religious content that our communities in which NCSG members > tend to engage. It is clear that ICANN, as an organization, *cannot > monitor and oversee content (as stated in our Bylaws). *I think we have > a job to help Registries and Registrars from being pushed into content > monitoring. > > I > *ssues on the horizon regarding and related to DNS Abuse- and that NCSG > must watch and help define: * > > 1) Accuracy: Law enforcement and many others want to know who a speaker > is. It's easier to find the bad guys that way. But we know throughout > history, people have written their comments and concerns under other names > - pseudonyms and pen names - because of gender, political views, or deep > societal concerns, etc, including George Sand and Mark Twain. Michele > Neylon, a registrar noted that some fake names also are indicators of > stolen credit cards and PayPal accounts, but I would argue that's where the > problem lies (financial fraud) and not the pen name itself. > > 2) Anonymous requests by Law Enforcement and private security groups - > these groups want a lot of information from Registrars about Registrants, > but want to provide little information about themselves. *They also do > not want their requests known to Registrants, yet the disclosure of a > personal address, even a name, can be a life or death matter to the > Registrant, depending on who they are, where they are, and what they are > writing and saying. *Tx to Farzi for raising this issue - one that also > relates to the new RDRS/WHOIS Disclosure System. > > 3) More, More, More - as discussed above, some of our fellow ICANN > Community members want Registries and Registrars to do much more as content > monitors of the Internet. Keeping DNS Abuse defined, narrowly-tailored and > limited is going to be an ongoing task for NCSG. We asked the Registrars > and Registries to share with us where and when meetings are taking place > (because session titles are not always clear). Stay tuned for meetings at > ICANN79 in Puerto Rico. > > 4) Success - Contracted Party House shared that ICANN is looking for > definitions of "success" in DNS Abuse. Our definition may be a little > different than any other registrant or user group in ICANN. Thus, we should > let ICANN know NCSG's definition of "success" for DNS Abuse and these new > contractual terms. Registrars recommended that we share our thoughts > directly with ICANN Compliance. > > Please add and edit! > > Best, Kathy > On 1/16/2024 10:52 AM, farzaneh badii wrote: > > Hi all, > > Join us to meet with the CPH on DNS Abuse. > > Join the Zoom room directly (recommended): > https://icann.zoom.us/j/91179659393?pwd=THBVYVlKSWxFaW5nMFdOZVNPQ3VSdz09 > <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Ficann.zoom.us%2Fj%2F91179659393%3Fpwd%3DTHBVYVlKSWxFaW5nMFdOZVNPQ3VSdz09&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw1QLasWOKrFUXCArYg0VEj2> > > > Farzaneh > > -- > Kathy Kleiman > President, Domain Name Rights Coalition > >