Hi, good morning. I'm Patrick Pennings from the

I'm the head of the Digital Development and Governance Department in the Council of Europe.

and I was very much interested in the question or the issue raised

by the non-commercial community in a way, because that's the daily

bread, let's say, of the Council of Europe that is to be able to

match between, on the one side.

the work because we're home to the European Convention on Human Rights. But also, we're home to the Cybercrime Convention and Data Protection Convention.

and in the future I hope in the very near future, a convention on Artificial intelligence. So for us. It is crucial to be able to combine those 2 interests that is, to

keep a clear line on human rights rule of law and democracy, while at the same time being able to cater for

private companies, but also for the law enforcement community.

And I think the the security in the domain name system is essential to be able to provide that. I agree that we need open processes, but we also need to be able to provide

access to law enforcement to be able to, in in the