Thank you for opening our eyes to this Farzi! Let's put together a letter to the RDRS working group? Maybe including your arguments, any industry benchmarks, best practices, and examples from other members/regions. This could facilitate Stephanie’s efforts and our tracking of the issue? Maybe we can dive deeper into this during our next PC meeting? Kind regards , Emmanuel Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos. On Fri 5 Apr 2024 at 23:24, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Farzaneh and Stephanie, > > I agree with Farzaneh's suggestion to bring the issue of transparency in > RDRS to the Standing Committee. I believe it is essential to find a balance > between transparency and the need to protect ongoing investigations. > > One way to achieve this could be to publish the number of requests > received from each jurisdiction on an annual or biannual basis. This would > provide some level of transparency while still safeguarding the > confidentiality of ongoing investigations. > > I believe this approach would address the concerns of human rights and > civil liberties advocates while also ensuring that law enforcement efforts > are not impeded. > > Best regards, > Caleb Ogundele > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 6:04 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi Farzi, >> >> I think your idea of providing examples of what could be considered the >> "market standard" of how to treat this kind of data would be the best way >> to approach the RDRS SC. Just to drop a few others, Meta ( >> https://transparency.fb.com/reports/government-data-requests/country/), >> Google (https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=en) >> and TikTok ( >> https://www.tiktok.com/transparency/en-us/government-removal-requests-2023-1/) >> have interesting reports that could deter most arguments against >> implementing it for security reasons. >> >> One could also point out that this isn't interesting just for human >> rights and civil liberties, but also for other interest groups to identify >> potentially problematic regions (f. ex., a country where, for some reason, >> there is a spike of registrations being used for criminal activities >> commonly identified as such all around the world). >> >> Cordially, >> >> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana* >> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR >> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher >> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra) >> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR >> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/> >> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by >> mistake, please reply informing it. >> >> >> Em sex., 5 de abr. de 2024 às 18:00, farzaneh badii < >> [log in to unmask]> escreveu: >> >>> Dear NCSG, >>> As you know RDRS (the system whereby requestors of domain name >>> registrants personal data submit their request to access the data-it's a >>> triage system) is now in operation. (been for a few months) There is a >>> Standing Committee on RDRS that meets biweekly which discusses the >>> technical issues of the system. In the report that RDRS issues, we usually >>> can see the number of requests on behalf of law enforcement agencies but it >>> does not specify which jurisdictions. >>> It is common practice for different Internet organizations and >>> tech-companies to report at least on the jurisdiction. For example, Apple >>> has been publishing the LEA transparency reports, for example you can see >>> which countries and how many apps were requested to be removed from the App >>> Store: >>> https://www.apple.com/legal/more-resources/docs/2022-App-Store-Transparency-Report.pdf >>> >>> Other Internet organizations also report on which countries requested >>> data, here is for example a RIPE NCC transparency report: >>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-794/ >>> >>> This topic has been of interest for NCSG for a long time because of its >>> implications on human rights and civil liberty. >>> >>> I want to suggest that we bring this issue to RDRS SC and ask to open up >>> the discussion on how we can have some minimal transparency in place. For >>> example which countries the law enforcement agencies submit requests from. >>> We can open up the conversation and also consider what measures to take not >>> to disrupt ongoing investigations and come to a middle ground on this. This >>> is not the only way we can request some minimal transparency but it could >>> be a start. >>> >>> Stephanie is our representative on RDRS SC. Maybe she can bring up this >>> issue in that group? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >> > > -- > *Caleb Ogundele* > Email: [log in to unmask] >