I will just note the livestream of the NCSG RDRS event is at https://isoc.live/17326/ I am yet to archive, but I will move it up on my todo list. Joly On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 9:58 PM Emmanuel Vitus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thank you for opening our eyes to this Farzi! > > Let's put together a letter to the RDRS working group? Maybe including > your arguments, any industry benchmarks, best practices, and examples from > other members/regions. This could facilitate Stephanie’s efforts and our > tracking of the issue? Maybe we can dive deeper into this during our next > PC meeting? > > Kind regards , > > Emmanuel > > > > Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos. > > > On Fri 5 Apr 2024 at 23:24, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Dear Farzaneh and Stephanie, >> >> I agree with Farzaneh's suggestion to bring the issue of transparency in >> RDRS to the Standing Committee. I believe it is essential to find a balance >> between transparency and the need to protect ongoing investigations. >> >> One way to achieve this could be to publish the number of requests >> received from each jurisdiction on an annual or biannual basis. This would >> provide some level of transparency while still safeguarding the >> confidentiality of ongoing investigations. >> >> I believe this approach would address the concerns of human rights and >> civil liberties advocates while also ensuring that law enforcement efforts >> are not impeded. >> >> Best regards, >> Caleb Ogundele >> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 6:04 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Farzi, >>> >>> I think your idea of providing examples of what could be considered the >>> "market standard" of how to treat this kind of data would be the best way >>> to approach the RDRS SC. Just to drop a few others, Meta ( >>> https://transparency.fb.com/reports/government-data-requests/country/), >>> Google (https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=en) >>> and TikTok ( >>> https://www.tiktok.com/transparency/en-us/government-removal-requests-2023-1/) >>> have interesting reports that could deter most arguments against >>> implementing it for security reasons. >>> >>> One could also point out that this isn't interesting just for human >>> rights and civil liberties, but also for other interest groups to identify >>> potentially problematic regions (f. ex., a country where, for some reason, >>> there is a spike of registrations being used for criminal activities >>> commonly identified as such all around the world). >>> >>> Cordially, >>> >>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana* >>> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR >>> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher >>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra) >>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR >>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/> >>> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received >>> by mistake, please reply informing it. >>> >>> >>> Em sex., 5 de abr. de 2024 às 18:00, farzaneh badii < >>> [log in to unmask]> escreveu: >>> >>>> Dear NCSG, >>>> As you know RDRS (the system whereby requestors of domain name >>>> registrants personal data submit their request to access the data-it's a >>>> triage system) is now in operation. (been for a few months) There is a >>>> Standing Committee on RDRS that meets biweekly which discusses the >>>> technical issues of the system. In the report that RDRS issues, we usually >>>> can see the number of requests on behalf of law enforcement agencies but it >>>> does not specify which jurisdictions. >>>> It is common practice for different Internet organizations and >>>> tech-companies to report at least on the jurisdiction. For example, Apple >>>> has been publishing the LEA transparency reports, for example you can see >>>> which countries and how many apps were requested to be removed from the App >>>> Store: >>>> https://www.apple.com/legal/more-resources/docs/2022-App-Store-Transparency-Report.pdf >>>> >>>> Other Internet organizations also report on which countries requested >>>> data, here is for example a RIPE NCC transparency report: >>>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-794/ >>>> >>>> This topic has been of interest for NCSG for a long time because of its >>>> implications on human rights and civil liberty. >>>> >>>> I want to suggest that we bring this issue to RDRS SC and ask to open >>>> up the discussion on how we can have some minimal transparency in place. >>>> For example which countries the law enforcement agencies submit requests >>>> from. We can open up the conversation and also consider what measures to >>>> take not to disrupt ongoing investigations and come to a middle ground on >>>> this. This is not the only way we can request some minimal transparency but >>>> it could be a start. >>>> >>>> Stephanie is our representative on RDRS SC. Maybe she can bring up this >>>> issue in that group? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Farzaneh >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> *Caleb Ogundele* >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> >