Dear Milton and all,
Thanks for your hard work on this. I fully support the document.
Regards,
Konstantinos
Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis
Lecturer in IT&T Law, Panellist,
Chair Membership Committee,
Global Internet Governance Academic Network,
University of Strathclyde,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of William Drake
> Sent: 18 November 2008 09:51
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Draft NCSG petition, please review
>
> Milton,
>
> I second Norbert's kudos for the work you've put into this. Overall
> it looks really solid. There are probably some language tweaks etc
> you could make for clarity, but as I'm sitting in a loud hotel lobby
> I leave this to you to decide. I'm ok with the proposed solutions to
> the points discussed previously, e.g. constituency thresholds and
> membership limitations, voting rules, etc. One question I do wonder
> about though concerns 3.4.5, Regional diversity's criteria, "as
> determined by national citizenship." Lots of folks don't live in
> their home countries, so perhaps a more flexible approach would be
> desirable going forward. Why not "as determined by national
> citizenship or residency"? Is there a history of discussion and
> decisions on this from before I joined NCUC that I'm not aware of?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Norbert Klein wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Milton, for the huge amount of work done.
> >
> >> I'd like to send this to the Board in a week or so, so if you are
> >> interested in the future structure of the NCSG please review it and
> >> voice your approval, or propose modifications.
> >
> > So I have some notes, not on substance, where I agree with your
> > draft, but
> > more on some small points - you know I am living in a non-English
> > speaking
> > environment, and I have often to explain to others here what might
> > be clear
> > among the experts elsewhere.
> >
> > Sorry that it is long, but I include the context for identification.
> >
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> > =
> > A clarification suggested:
> >
> > "2.0 Organization and Membership
> > 2.1 Composition
> > The NCSG shall consist of four distinct parts: the Membership,
> > Constituencies,
> > an Executive Committee and a Policy Committee. The Membership shall
> > consist
> > of organizations and individuals that meet the Membership criteria and
> > complete the processes set out in Section 2.2. The Executive
> > Committee, led
> > by the Chair,..."
> >
> > I suggest to say "the Chair of the NCSG" to avoid the
> > misunderstanding that it
> > is "...the Chair of the Executive Committee..." - the term "the
> > Chair is
> > defined much further down only. I think it is useful to have the
> > terms clear
> > when they show up first.
> > =
> >
> > = =
> > Minor points and an explanations for not so well versed non-native
> > speakers of
> > English (I want to show this also to colleagues here and avoid
> > getting such
> > questions back; this is a general concern for ICANN etc. insider
> > language
> > which disregards the multi-cultural basis of the Internet users).
> >
> > "2.2.2. Ineligible organizations. The membership of the NCSG
> > specifically
> > excludes:
> > 1. Political organizations whose primary purpose is to hold
> > government office
> > and/or ct government officials;2. Commercial organizations and
> > associations
> > of or for the benefit of commercial entities (even if they are non-
> > profit in
> > form) such as industry trade associations;
> > 3. Organizations that provide services under contract or MoU with
> > ICANN;
> > 4. Organizations that are represented in ICANN through another
> > Supporting
> > Organization or other GNSO Stakeholder Group. However,
> > organizations and
> > individuals that participate in ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee
> > are not
> > excluded by this criterion, though they may be excluded by the
> > other three."
> >
> > "...and/or to elect government..."
> > "...contract or a Memorandum of Understanding with..."
> > ",,,or other GNSO Stakeholder Groups" or "...or another GNSO
> > Stakeholder
> > Group"
> > = =
> >
> > = = =
> > "...may participate in NCSG listservs..."
> > I suggest to say instead: "may participate in NCSG mailing lists"
> > throughout
> > the text.
> > = = =
> >
> > = = = =
> > "2.2.5. Individuals. Individuals can also be members of the NCSG.
> > 2.2.5.1. Eligible individuals include:
> > a) Individuals who register domain names for personal or family
> > uses of a
> > predominantly noncommercial nature;
> > b) Individual Internet users who are primarily concerned with the
> > public
> > interest aspects of domain name policy and are not represented in
> > ICANN
> > through membership in another GNSO Stakeholder Group or the ccNSO;"
> >
> > Suggested change for clarification, as the term ccNSO shows up
> > first here, to:
> > "...or the Country Code Names Supporting Organisation (ccNSO);"
> >
> > Same for "...PDP" when it shows up first, change to "... Policy
> > Development
> > Process (PDP)..."
> > = = = =
> >
> > = = = = =
> > I do not understand the following clearly:
> >
> > "3.4.1 ...Their function is to a leadership role in translating the
> > common
> > goals and priorities of the SG into ICANN GNSO-approved policies,
> > and to
> > oppose and prevent the passage of ICANN policies harmful to the
> > interests of
> > NCSG members. "
> >
> > Is it something like this:
> >
> > "Their function is to translate the common goals and priorities of the
> > Noncommercial Users Stakeholders Group into ICANN GNSO-approved
> > policies, or
> > to oppose and prevent the passage of policies harmful to the
> > interests of
> > NCSG members."
> > = = = = =
> >
> > = == = = =
> > "3.6.1 ...All member organizations and individuals must be a
> > visible node in
> > that site."
> >
> > Sorry, I do not understand the language - what does it mean that I
> > "must be a
> > visible node in that site"? I checked here with friends - obviously
> > I am not
> > the only one who does not understand this.
> > == = = = =
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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