On 17 Jun 2010, at 16:42, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi Fouad,
> 
> With due respect, AAAMC and Amber as its rep are part of NCSG.  And I am glad of it.  she may also want to get involved in AT-Large.  but as far as her membership goes that has been settled, whether she is part of a Constituency application or not.
> 
> What we now need to resolve is how to move on from her with our membership.

Move on from here with our membership.

> 
> thanks
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jun 2010, at 13:50, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
> 
>> Amber, have you attended any NCSG-NCUC meeting as yet, I don't
>> remember you participating to raise any concerns or intentions in
>> Seoul or Nairobi?
>> 
>> Maybe you are attempting to create a conflict of interest in the name
>> of a non-profit constituency and you may want to explore the option of
>> becoming an At-Large ALS under ALAC: http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/
>> 
>> Community process strengthening and participation is about winning
>> consensus and support of the community, not going totally against the
>> whole Non-Commercial spirit.
>> 
>> Lurking on lists is not a reason to confide in and that creates
>> serious concerns. As a member of NCSG-NCUC from the developing world,
>> I would never recommend such an approach because it also exposes
>> intentions of many such as the ICANN staff issue already raised here.
>> 
>> IMHO, you should win community and not turn the community against this
>> issue therefore you should respect the community member's concerns
>> because alone, there is no constituency.
>> 
>> The concerns shown by the membership of the NCSG-NCUC community are
>> very valid and your position is a discrimination one.
>> 
>> It is still my humble advice that you should join the ICANN community
>> and constituency process through ALAC and NARALO (North American
>> Regional At-Large Organization) instead of attempting to create cracks
>> in the existing one.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Concerned
>> --------------------------
>> Fouad Bajwa
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Amber Sterling <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> I am one of the leaders supporting the proposed Not-for-Profit
>>> Organization Constituency.  First and foremost the proposed NPOC is not
>>> an attempt to merely expand trademark owners rights.
>>> 
>>> I have been a lurker on this list serve for a while now and I believe
>>> that the NCSG does not promote various opinions and discussions from its
>>> "dynamic representation of various social classes".  The NPOC would
>>> allow not-for-profit organizations to affiliate and respond to various
>>> DNS issues, as it pertains to our organizations.
>>> 
>>> Debra Hughes, another leader of the NPOC, reached out to all GNSO
>>> council members.  Rafik even joined one of our outreach webinars.
>>> 
>>> Further, it is my understanding that ICANN has strongly encouraged (if
>>> not mandated) membership expansion.  This new constituency would be a
>>> vehicle for new members to join the ICANN conversation.
>>> 
>>> Amber Sterling
>>> Business Development Specialist
>>> Association of American Medical Colleges
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>> Konstantinos Komaitis
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:19 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [council] FYI - New GNSO Constituency Notice of Intent -
>>> Not-for-Profit Organizations Constituency
>>> 
>>> That is very true - because we have been so very good at stopping the
>>> expansion of trademarks outside our circles now we will have to do the
>>> same within our own one. It is embarrassing for a constituency that
>>> calls itself non-commercial to promote the ICANN-led protection of
>>> trademarks and seek to justify it.
>>> 
>>> KK
>>> 
>>> Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,
>>> Law Lecturer,
>>> Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses
>>> University of Strathclyde,
>>> The Law School,
>>> The Lord Hope Building,
>>> 141 St. James Road,
>>> Glasgow, G4 0LT
>>> UK
>>> tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306
>>> http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Reg
>>> ulation-isbn9780415477765
>>> Selected publications:
>>> http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038
>>> Website: http://domainnamelaw.ning.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>> Kimberley Heitman
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:57 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [council] FYI - New GNSO Constituency Notice of Intent -
>>> Not-for-Profit Organizations Constituency
>>> 
>>>> I do not understand very well. Why option to form a nonprofit group?
>>> Are
>>>> we not in a dynamic representation of various social classes?
>>> 
>>> Have you noticed the proponents all have an interest in trademarks? A
>>> cynic
>>> might think that it is an attempted takeover of the public interest
>>> constituency by trademark owners, launched from the home of
>>> astro-turfing.
>>> 
>>> -----------------------
>>> Kimberley James Heitman
>>> www.kheitman.com
>>> -----------------------
>>> 
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