I'll third this (and did laughed out loud at Joly's nudge.)

And at the risk of appearing to flip-flop, I agree with William on the 
plurality of acceptable ways to liaise and their dependance on context.

OTOH, i felt more than comfortable arguing with Evan, thereby 
understanding ALAC's set of positions.

Nicolas


On 13/12/2011 9:05 AM, nhklein wrote:
> Yes, Avri, do it - I "second" Joly and Bill.
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> Norbert
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> On 12/13/2011 08:59 PM, William Drake wrote:
>> Hi Avri
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joly,
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I can tell that my email on liaisons was not well received by you.  
>>> My apologies.
>> I admit that I was surprised you seemed to be going out of your way 
>> to say I was doing the liaison job wrong, which seemed especially odd 
>> at a moment when the type of engagement you appeared to be advocating 
>> is manifestly not in the reverse here.  But I was not offended or 
>> whatever.  My reply simply said this why I did x rather than y.  I 
>> don't think y would have been well received in ALAC given the 
>> difficult history and relationships, whereas x helped a little to 
>> calm things down and make further communication possible.  That to me 
>> seems like useful liaising, going into their house and breaking stuff 
>> does not.  So it's just a definitional/ tactical disagreement, not a 
>> big deal.
>>> As for your suggestion, I have already taken on enough ICANN tasks 
>>> to keep me quite busy.  More then that, though, I do not beleive my 
>>> viewpoints are in the mainstream of NCUC at this point and may not 
>>> even represent the mainstream of NCSG members, so would not see 
>>> myself as being a good representative of the NCSG at this point in 
>>> its and my lifecycle.  I think it is important for a group to have a 
>>> liaison who is comfortable that she is in the mainstream of the 
>>> organization she is representing.
>> I don't agree that your views are not in the mainstream, and I 
>> suspect quite a lot of people would be happy to have you serve as 
>> liaison to CSG, where a more assertive model of engagement would be 
>> entirely justified and necessary.
>>> But thanks for thinking of me.  I am sure the CSG would have been' 
>>> thrilled' to have me as a liaison.  It might have even been enough 
>>> to bring them together. if I remember correctly I have been a 
>>> unifying, albeit external, influence for the CSG in recent history.
>> See, it'd be a win win all around!
>>> I would have answered a few of your other points, but it was just 
>>> too caustic a note for me to know how to approach it.  Sorry I 
>>> disagreed.
>>> Nothing wrong with disagreeing and didn't mean to sound caustic if I 
>>> did.  Surprise and mild annoyance can seep into words more than 
>>> intended.
>>>
>>> Please reconsider the CSG thing, I think you'd be perfect…
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 13 Dec 2011, at 05:11, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>> Do it, Avri :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:31 AM, William 
>>>> Drake<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>>>> Hi Avri
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> I have a concrete suggestion if you'd like a role that goes beyond 
>>>> telling others how they should do their jobs.  We clearly need a 
>>>> liaison to the CSG.  Relations there have deteriorated rather 
>>>> badly, as will be on display in Technicolor in the Council 
>>>> discussion of the Outreach Task Force fiasco.  I would happily 
>>>> nominate you to serve as our liaison.  Since CSG and ALAC have 
>>>> similar positions on some items we care about, e.g. WHOIS, IPR, 
>>>> LEA, etc., there would be abundant opportunity to get in there and 
>>>> throw all the bombs you like.  Plus, CSG is riven with factionalism 
>>>> so you'd be well positioned to play one group off another by saying 
>>>> we support you and not you, etc.  So you could do the job precisely 
>>>> as you think it should be done.  Would you accept this nomination?  
>>>> If so I can make it on the tonight's call.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
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