I was using 'routing' metaphorically.
On 15-Aug-15 11:38, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have never thought so-called fragments are more that another
> temporary
> breakage in the Interent that the network will heal and learn to
> 'route'
> around.
>
>
> I think its more than temporary for some region. Those who live in
> some countries like China and other countries that filter quite a
> number of internet contents will tell you that getting access to
> filtered destinations its not as easy as re-routing.
>
>
>
> That has been the threat from government lately, they will
> fragment the network. They can try, but they will only hurt
> themselves
> and some of their citizens.
>
>
> Sure and we should be concerned about those citizens, because they
> initially form part of the Netizen and we are then disconnected from
> them (perhaps this point may make more sense within the AtLarge
> community but i think non-commercial should be appropriate as well)
>
>
> The Internet will survive and will 'route' around any breakage
> they commit in time.
>
>
> Sure it will but some will be off the grid.
>
>
> I think all these government threats of fragmentation are just
> disruption that will spur further innovation and a stronger Internet.
>
>
> I agree this and those kind of innovations are the ones you find being
> used to commit crimes on the Internet in future. Innovating towards
> positive development of the Internet would have been more helpful.
> Nevertheless, there is the saying that the Internet is for the "good,
> bad and the ugly" and one mans food is another man's poison.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> avri
>
>
> On 15-Aug-15 11:02, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
> >
> > Governments cannot control the Internet, they can only ruin it.
> > Then again, that should not be much of a surprise.
> >
> >
> > +1 hence the source of the term "Internet deferagmentation". Not
> > allowing govt participate in the coordination processes of the
> > internet would only justify their need to further "defragment" the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 15-Aug-15 09:46, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
> > > Hello Sam & All,
> > >
> > > taking a broad historical view,
> > > - to begin with, the Internet was the realm of engineers,
> > academics, military personnel;
> > > - most sovereign states, because their civil servants came
> from
> > law, macro-economics or political "science", did not grasp the
> > potential of the Internet, and therefore left it to their
> > technical ministerial departments (telecoms, industry...);
> > > - businesses were quick to espouse the Internet, taking in
> their
> > wake the necessary lawyers for trademarks and litigations, and
> > this may have become the single most influential segment of the
> > Internet eco-system;
> > > - more recently, and for a variety of reasons (strengthen
> > censorship, extend surveillance, streamle administrative tasks,
> > reach the electorate more easily, most states are simply
> catching
> > up. This is where we are today.
> > >
> > > Against this background, it seems likely that most sovereign
> > states will seek a greater role. That is evident in the GAC, but
> > also more widely. One of the main areas of competition for
> them is
> > representation of the public interest, where they generally
> do not
> > take a favourable view of NGOs or other elements of civil
> society,
> > because the latter occupy a space which, in political theory,
> > belongs first and foremost to sovereign states.
> > >
> > > Reports on the future of the Internet (Ilves Commission and
> > others), the pursuit of a universal forum (IGF), various
> > initiatives to enhance the multi-stakeholder model (MSM) (e.g.
> > NetMundial Initiative), none of these proposes, nor will bring
> > about, a lesser role of governments.
> > >
> > > The challenge today is
> > > - to recognize that sovereign states will not abandon what
> they
> > see as their self-evident place in Internet governance;
> > > - taking that as a given, how can we strengthen the MSM in
> a way
> > that does not push states towards an alternative to MSM, such as
> > national Intranets, i.e. terminating the single, universally
> > compatible Internet as most of us know it today?
> > >
> > > Jean-Jacques.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Mail original -----
> > > De: "Sam Lanfranco" <[log in to unmask]
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> > > À: [log in to unmask]
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> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]
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> > > Envoyé: Mercredi 12 Août 2015 15:58:16
> > > Objet: Re: [Policy] IANA transition and ICANN accountability
> > proposal : NCSG comments
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a shorter history observing the role of GAC inside
> ICANN,
> > but a longer history of observing governments, and I am the
> > position that the transition should take place keeping GAC
> pretty
> > much in its existing advisory role where there are, and will be,
> > continues pressures for role modification. It would open up
> a very
> > dangerous and destabilizing struggle if “...the GAC
> dissented from
> > whatever Dublin adopts”.
> > >
> > >
> > > We need to keep a collaborative element to the struggles for
> > position within ICANN. Moving to a pure adversarial stance
> in this
> > area would be a lose-lose recipe for disaster.
> > >
> > > Sam L.
> > >
> > >
> >
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