I strongly support James comment. We should avoid this discussion 
up-front!

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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On 24 Aug 2016, at 16:31, James Gannon wrote:

> Glen in the only person who has access to the votes, and I would 
> challenge anyone to even consider the possibility of her compromising 
> the integrity of the ballots and the election in general. I personally 
> don’t see this as a topic worth discussing.
>
> -James
>
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> Date: Wednesday 24 August 2016 at 21:23
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> Subject: Re: *Important* NCSG 2016 Annual Elections - Voting rules
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> Sorry for the confusion, but I do not have any kind of deep mistrust 
> for ICANN staff and did not intend for my remarks to be interpreted in 
> that manner.
>
> Scepticism of the process is okay, however as I said in an email to 
> this list yesterday, I consent to the legitimacy of the electoral 
> process, I am willing to bear the costs of electoral participation, 
> and I am fully prepared to use this to communicate my pleasure or 
> displeasure with the candidate(s) that are presented before me.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
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> Subject: Re: *Important* NCSG 2016 Annual Elections - Voting rules
> Local Time: August 24, 2016 9:00 PM
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> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
>> Yes, I agree there should be a mechanism in place that allows voters 
>> to spoil their ballot paper, should they wish to do so. The number of 
>> spoiled ballots should be recorded.
>
> I would consider it improper for anyone, be they ICANN staff or a 
> member of our community, to contact a voter about the contents of 
> their ballot paper and to insinuate that they may have voted in an 
> improper manner. If indeed it is possible to determine the number of 
> 'invalid' ballot papers before the election is over, and who has cast 
> a vote in such a manner, I am surprised this is the case.
>
> - Ayden
>
> hi Ayden,
>
> yes, with the mistrust that the NGSC has had for ICANN staff, it seems 
> that
> trusting the election to a staff-run system would be considered 
> non-optimum.
>
> i would prefer that an independent outside voting organization that 
> would
> keep the partial results of elections in progress secret from members 
> and
> ICANN staff and only report the final results.
>
> while this is possible in the bylaws, our organization has no 
> independent
> funds to contract for this outside work. but this option should be on
> the table with the later discussion of voting procedures.
>
> -ron