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Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Caleb,

It is my understanding (but I might be completely wrong) that the board
has already signalled that this is a GNSO matter, but yes, we should
continue pushing. We shouild also continue to push the contracted
parties.

	Julf

On 15-09-2022 06:16, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> Hi Johan,
> 
> I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it comes to 
> NomCom rebalancing.
> 
> If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the board 
> except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then we can 
> do internal constituency rebalancing.
> 
> The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat they 
> have and so it's good we make our case clear enough.
> 
> Caleb
> 
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Bruna,
> 
>     Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for quite
>     a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition Program
>     Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to them
>     to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.
> 
>     The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be primarily
>     a GNSO Council issue.
> 
>     The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look at the
>     most recent NomCom appointments).
> 
>              Julf
> 
> 
>     On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>      > Hello, all,
>      >
>      > Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following
>     questions
>      > are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:
>      >
>      >  1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN recycling
>      >     veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board think it’s
>      >     beneficial for the community to have the usual suspects rotating
>      >     between leadership roles of different stakeholder groups? 
>     How do we
>      >     fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the Board
>     imagine
>      >     its role in assisting the community to recruit more new
>     blood?____/
>      >  2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/
>      >  3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the
>     community from
>      >     volunteer fatigue?/
>      >
>      >
>      > To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set of
>     questions
>      > because these are either a. questions that cant necessarily be
>     solved by
>      > the board or b. things we have addressed with them before. Topics
>     like
>      > 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for more
>     than just
>      > one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound like a
>     broken
>      > radio repeating the same problems over and over again; added to
>     that I
>      > think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least one policy
>      > topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its proposed
>      > sounds a little empty.
>      >
>      > In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy topic I can
>      > still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of
>     changing one
>      > of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to suggest
>     something.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      > Bruna
>      >
>      > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>      > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>     <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Hi Sam,
>      >
>      >     Good observations. I can understand why you put the focus on
>     career
>      >     progression but I think significant focus needs to also be put on
>      >     the category where participation is heavily motivated by simply
>      >     doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you suggest,
>     this
>      >     category will neither build career capital nor will it
>     provide any
>      >     resources for ICANN participation.
>      >
>      >     Those in this category may have active careers, but their careers
>      >     are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their career
>     does not
>      >     benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN. The
>     employers
>      >     of those in this category are often not interested in ICANN's
>     work
>      >     and do not support them in any way, even with leave off work to
>      >     travel to an ICANN meeting.
>      >
>      >     Therefore, those in this category will certainly benefit and can
>      >     only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources were
>     based on
>      >     participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes the
>      >     "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more
>     complex. Not
>      >     recognising that this category of volunteers also heavily
>     depend on
>      >     ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as well.
>      >
>      >     Warmly,
>      >     Tomslin
>      >
>      >     On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco, <[log in to unmask]
>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>      >     <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >         I would like to add a couple of comments here. For years
>     I ran
>      >         the listserv for the International Society for Third Sector
>      >         Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on
>     volunteerism
>      >         and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem, and
>     several
>      >         patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers are dwindling
>      >         through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger volunteers
>     are less
>      >         forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is that
>     due to a
>      >         generational behavioral shift or the changing demands of
>     careers
>      >         and volunteer work?
>      >
>      >         Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are motivated by
>     three
>      >         drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal satisfaction; (3)
>     career
>      >         advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder model, outside
>      >         NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are engaged as
>     part of
>      >         their paid job (a form of career advancement). Inside
>     NCSG young
>      >         participants join for all three reasons, with many seeing
>      >         participation to (hopefully) build career capital. This
>     can be
>      >         particularly true for participants from areas where career
>      >         opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN
>     participants
>      >         have support for participation, either as an expense
>     account or
>      >         an ability to cost ICANN participation against professional
>      >         income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more binding and
>      >         ICANN support is usually essential, and more than just a
>     “perk”.
>      >
>      >         If one thinks of the elected and appointed positions within
>      >         ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the NCSG
>     volunteer
>      >         participation challenge boils down to two things, one
>     difficult
>      >         and one relatively easy. The difficult one is resources.
>      >         Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they go? Looking
>      >         over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests that many of
>      >         those who are active have careers (lawyers, academics,
>      >         consultants) where ICANN participation builds career capital,
>      >         and where careers provide some resources for ICANN
>      >         participation. The challenge here becomes that allocating
>     NCSG
>      >         resources (travel) based on participation and ICANN knowledge
>      >         favors those already best positioned to participate. The “old
>      >         guard” gets the perks. This may become more complicated
>     as ICANN
>      >         seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet
>     Governance
>      >         (TIG) scope of policy.
>      >
>      >         The easier part, again in my view, would be a major
>     expansion of
>      >         mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in several
>     ways and
>      >         build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea would be to
>      >         make elected positions include a mentorship
>     responsibility, and
>      >         a process for selecting appropriate mentees. Mentee positions
>      >         would come with the additional resources to make
>     participation
>      >         possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could also
>     result in
>      >         greater career capital benefits, and increase the
>     probability of
>      >         continued ICANN participation. One step in that direction
>     might
>      >         be ICANN funding an in depth study of the experiences of
>     ICANN
>      >         Fellowship participants (and others), both in terms of their
>      >         continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN work
>     has fit
>      >         into their career progress, and in terms of the hard choices
>      >         they must make about volunteering.
>      >
>      >         Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress here
>     because we
>      >         can assume all participants are intent on “doing good”
>     and that
>      >         “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does
>     inside ICANN
>      >         and how that relates to one’s work life. I look forward
>     to the
>      >         ideas and observations of others.
>      >
>      >         Sam Lanfranco
>      >
>      >         ----Original Message-----
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>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> On Behalf Of Johan
>      >         Helsingius
>      >         Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 5:45 AM
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>      >         Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board
>      >
>      >          > What level of effort is channeled to keep the people
>     in the
>      >         community
>      >          > not to get tired. Same for those that have indepth culture
>      >         and ICANN
>      >          > experience that are exhausted and not actively
>     participating
>      >         in PDP.
>      >
>      >         Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a very
>     serious
>      >         issue that needs to be addressed.
>      >
>      >                  Julf
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > --
>      > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>      > /*
>      >
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