Thanks Tapani.
  
 You've always been a champion for openness and transparency at ICANN and I 
hope we can make some further progress in this area. It's a sad state of 
affairs when the ICANN Board is now more open and transparent than the NCSG 
EC.
  
  
  
 Executive Committee meetings have always been officially closed, but
all interested NCSG members have been and will be welcome nonetheless.
I'm not sure it'd be a good idea to invite CSG and other outsiders
there as well, but I'm open to persuasion there.
  
  
 What vast secrets is the NCSG EC keeping from the CSG "and other 
outsiders" that could be detrimental to our SG if they, gasp, were 
discovered by the CSG? And those intrusive "outsiders"? Does that make all 
of us insiders? Do we have a special handshake?
  
 Us against them...we'd like to tell you but "they" may find out...sad to 
see the NCSG using the same justification for secrecy practiced by 
governments worldwide. We should be better than that.

To the extent it's up to me I'd apply same rule for the other two
meetings, but there we'll have to get other participants to agree.
I'll make an effort to make it happen.
  
 Thanks for that.
  
 One of the other two meetings is with the CSG. Presumably we keep those 
discussions secret because "others" might find out? The CSG will probably 
know of the content of the meeting because they will be there. Who are the 
"others"? The dreaded Contracted Party House? I have friends there - does 
that make me an "other" or am I still one of us? Confusing. 
  
 As for the meeting between our "leaders" and the Board. Our Members have 
an absolute right to know what our so called leaders are discussing on our 
behalf with the Board. This meeting should not be private under any 
circumstance. Let me know if the Board won't agree to open it up. They have 
made commitments to transparency and I'd like to hold them to it.
  
 I hope we can get these meetings opened up. If not, I won't be attending 
the two I presumably am invited to attend. I don't do secret meetings or 
secret mailing lists or chats unless, as with the CCWG Legal Committee 
meetings I'm part of, confidentiality related to privacy rights and 
fiduciary responsibilities are involved. 
  

For local participants space may also be a concern, some of these may
have been allocated small rooms.
  
 I welcome the challenging of managing an overflow crowd. In fact, I have 
some experience doing this at rock concerts. Happy to help out. It's a lot 
healthier, in my view, to manage excessive interest than to build walls to 
keep people out. 
  
 Best,
  
 Ed
  
  
  

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Tapani Tarvainen

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:31:05AM +0100, Edward Morris 
([log in to unmask]) wrote:

> I note in the NCSG EC archive that remote participation details are 
listed for three NCSG meetings which are said to be closed ( 
http://mailman.ipjustice.org/pipermail/ec-ncsg/2016-October/001211.html ).
>
> The NCSG has always fought for openness and transparency at ICANN. Might 
I inquire as to why these three meetings are closed and request that 
efforts be made to open the meetings.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ed