Hi,
All this achieves is moving the burden to pass on info from staff that
is assisting us to the participant.
In any case, I am sure you have already achieved your purpose of making
her head shy about what she passes on.
avri
On 19-May-15 09:44, Edward Morris wrote:
> Hi Rafik,
>
>
>>
>> She is trying to work on how to communicate and message better the
>> several announcements and info we got in regular basis to avoid
>> overload but also to reach better members. Sharing such video can be
>> understood as possible source of information about the IANA
>> stewardship transition same like the update made by ICANN staff I
>> shared yesterday. I don't see any malign intention here.
>
> For the record, malign intent was not alleged. It's the principle of
> staff members posting substantive content to the members list that I
> have difficulty with. If yourself or a member wants to share
> information or a link that's great. Editorial content, in that case,
> rests with the member. If an NCSG member posted the link, fantastic.
> Posting substantive editorial content, in this case a link to Fadi's
> best attempt at a fireside chat (sans fire), should not be a staff
> function.
>
>> let's focus.
>>
>
> This is an important issue. In accountability we often talk of ICANN's
> mission creep. Well, this issue highlights an important issue that is
> somewhat similar, that of the NCSG's independence from ICANN. I guess
> I would call it ICANN reliance creep.
>
> Those who are new to the group might not be aware, but it was a big
> step for NCSG to accept the ICANN staff assistance that is now being
> provided. At the time, I was opposed to accepting it as were several
> members of far longer standing and greater stature than I. It was sold
> to us then as the support being provided being purely administrative
> in nature. That, indeed, was understandable and, although opposed in
> principle, I understood the rationale.
>
> In my view this goes far beyond that. This is a staff member
> suggesting we take a look at a video made by her employer. This goes
> beyond administrative support and I submit ventures into areas that
> should be reserved for members. Is it a major issue in and of itself?:
> no, but it's another step on the slippery slope away from the
> independence this group has always prided itself on.
>
>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2015-05-19 15:32 GMT+09:00 Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I very much disagree. It is her job to relay to the list any and all
>> posted information that might be of interest to the SG. It is
>> not her
>> job to decide whether something is or is not propaganda - to some
>> extent
>> it is all propoganda-ish.
>>
>> I am grateful to her for having sent us the information.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 19-May-15 08:00, Edward Morris wrote:
>> > Hi everybody,
>> >
>> > I'm posting this to the PC list as the policy arm of the NCSG.
>> >
>> > The following email from Maryam made me a bit uneasy. It's not just
>> > the possibility of recurring nightmares from viewing once again the
>> > 'Fadi hands' video. :) Rather I don't feel it is appropriate for an
>> > ICANN staff member to use his or her posting privileges on the
>> members
>> > list to disseminate what I would consider ICANN propaganda.
>> >
>> > It's perfectly fine for a member to post such a link and often
>> we do.
>> > I just think having staff do the same opens a path I'd prefer
>> not to
>> > go down. Nonmembers, obviously, do not have the right to post
>> on the
>> > members list and I'd suggest that staff posting rights be
>> limited to
>> > administrative matters unless directed otherwise by the Chair /
>> EC or
>> > in response to a members question or request. It's protection
>> not only
>> > for the independence of the NCSG that concerns me, it's for
>> protection
>> > of the staff as well. I don't want the staff member(s) involved
>> to be
>> > open to pressure from ICANN corporate to get certain approved
>> > perspectives out to our members. That's not their role, not how
>> their
>> > job performance should be measured, and not why they have been
>> allowed
>> > posting privileges on the members list. IMHO It's just not good
>> practice.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On May 18, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Maryam Bakoshi
>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> Please find below link of video message from ICANN President, Fadi
>> >> Chehade, following posting of the draft proposals for public
>> comment
>> >> by the Cross Community Working Groups to Develop an IANA
>> Stewardship
>> >> Transition Proposal on Naming Related Functions
>> (CWG-Stewardship) &
>> >> on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability).
>> >>
>> >> Video link:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMusmAcQpu0&feature=youtu.be
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Maryam Bakoshi
>> >>
>> >> Secretariat Support - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC
>> >>
>> >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> Skype: maryam.bakoshi.icann
>> >>
>>
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