Avri, so did (or it seems to have done) the ARIN fellow. This was signed
as a statement of the "leaders" of whatever, so it saves them in a
certain way from having their ears pulled when they return to their home
bases, so to speak.

--c.a.

On 10/10/2013 03:21 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since this note is in the ICANN context, 
> 
> One glaring problem with the proposal is that he did not consult ICANN before deciding ICANN was going to do this.  Is this the result of a bottom-up process in ICANN?  Did the Board get a vote on the initiative?
> 
> Now this may be one of those cases were a lot of people are willing to give him a pass because they agree with this decision, but it is becoming a very bad habit of his.
> 
> I might note that some in the IETF are having the same issue with the Chair  of the IAB having signed the Montevideo statement apparently without consulting the IAB.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 10 Oct 2013, at 13:11, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> 
>> Dear compa McT,
>>
>> You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will not change your logical
>> view... :) And I understand there is a lot of people in all sectors who
>> feel disturbed by the emerging presence of Brazil and its concrete
>> proposals to finally move on.
>>
>> At the very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's
>> statement at the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of
>> civil society defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio
>> program and her twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a planetary
>> framework of rights. This did not come out of the blue, from a meeting
>> of IP addressers in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do you think
>> Fadi just dropped by the presidential door in Brasilia, knocked and
>> entered to sell that proposal? :)
>>
>> Anyway, it is relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet
>> another Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called
>> IGF, as both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major
>> achievement that that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort
>> jointly with BR.
>>
>> All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors within
>> the government who would love to bring the root-zone to the purview of
>> the ITU, who hate Icann, who do not like the pluriparticipative model of
>> governance we defend, and who are basically associated with the
>> transnational telecom oligopoly which controls the main networks in BR.
>> Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here, to defend those
>> principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the meeting with thar
>> proposal was a major political milestone for her in those internal
>> disputes as well.
>>
>> [] fraterno
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote:
>>> At 55 seconds in, Fadi says:
>>> "Her Excellency President Rousseff has accepted our invitation that we
>>> hold next year a Global Summit"
>>>
>>> Seem fairly clear to me.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times more... :)
>>>>
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM, michael gurstein <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> Why so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but this isn't just
>>>>>> about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi for getting this going and putting
>>>>>> that into play…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not pessimistic or cynical.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is going to invite
>>>>>> the world to Rio in April next year to discuss names and numbers. Rather my
>>>>>> reading is that she is by-passing the quite evident log-jam at the ITU, the
>>>>>> frivolities of the IGF, the now discredited "Internet Freedom" crusade and
>>>>>> the status quo which it was intended to cast into concrete errr… (non) rules
>>>>>> and regs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears to me, after watching the video again several times that it
>>>>> is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the Montevideoans) that are
>>>>> spearheading this.  In other words the idea of the Summit comes from
>>>>> the T&A folks, not Brasilia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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