Hi,

I obviously agree with Avri on all counts.

Thanks.

Amr

> On Aug 22, 2016, at 10:58 PM, avri doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I  do not think this needs a charter change. We need well formed
> procedures created by our EC and vetted with the membership.  The
> charter was written to allow for such procedures to be created.  In fact
> that is one of the expected products of the EC.
> 
> For today we need to keep using the previous practice
> 
> After the EC comes up with a proper procedure or we discuss changing
> practice in the SG we can change what we do. Before then it is
> undemocratic and a serious breech of process, which I find inexplicable.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 22-Aug-16 16:44, Klaus Stoll wrote:
>> Dear Amr
>> 
>> I thought I explained this several times today and did not want to
>> repeat myself. I am not against the use of nota, I am against the use
>> of nota in order to prevent a candidate that is on the ballot. I can
>> feel your pain but as long as we keep having this kind of discussions
>> like today, people will think twice if they put themselves up as a
>> candidate. What we need is fundamental charter changes and fundamental
>> changes in our culture of working together.
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/22/2016 4:37 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>> Hi Klaus,
>>> 
>>> You still haven’t pointed me towards any text in the charter that
>>> prohibits the use of NOTA. :)
>>> 
>>> And also:
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Klaus Stoll <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Amr
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your comments. My thoughts are:
>>>> 
>>>> We need to go religiously by the charter and what the NCSG-EC does.
>>> My point is that I believe that this has been done using NOTA over
>>> the past few years. In fact, I believe that the changes being
>>> suggested now conflict with the charter, because the EC hasn’t
>>> approved the procedures being introduced during this election cycle.
>>> I do not believe that it is right or in the best interest of the NCSG
>>> for us to wait until after the elections to challenge this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again.
>>> 
>>> Amr
>> 
> 
> 
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