Dear all,

With all due respect, we can talk about this topic for days and we will not
come up with a logical answer; neither in NSA's defense nor against NSA.

I am not surprised and I will never be surprised by the fact that
governments spy both on their people and other countries as well. What
surprises me is that it managed to leak. There will always be a "gutsy"
person that will come out and make statements or confirm statements that we
already knew.

None of you can tell me that they are surprised and/or outraged by the fact
that governments spy on their own people. That's what SECRET services do;
that's why they were founded and that's their mission. Governments will
never have full disclosure of their intelligence activities and/or any
other activity that citizen John Doe wants to know about. It's like asking
from the government to disclose all the names of the undercover agents in
the world, just because that's what a transparent government does.

While indeed, there are or should be some sort of limits, not necessarily
legal, but ethical, we all know that that does NOT really happen. If
ambassadors have immunity, you are telling me that of one the biggest
security agencies in the world is not immune to those things?

Please bare in mind that I am not attacking or defending NSA's activities
and certainly do not want to offend any of you. This is just the opinion of
a fellow citizen of the world that knows that if necessary, the government
of his country will "spy" on his activities if necessary (if it's not
happening already, based on the amount of times I already mentioned "NSA").

Have an excellent day ahead!



*Andrei Barburas*

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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Sorry, I did not start this thread... Quitting.
>
> --c.a.
>
>
> On 11/07/2013 03:29 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
>>
>> I've read the book that is a recollection of stuff from that website.
>>
>> Glad I've got the kindle version and didn't waste a tree on it reading
>> about "assassination from the sky"
>>
>> On a similar subject you can read
>> http://www.amazon.com/Wired-War-Robotics-Revolution-Conflict-ebook which
>> still is a little bit sensationalist but became a NYT best seller.
>>
>> BTW, I don't understand what point are you trying to make and IMHO
>> totally out of context from ICANN and NCUC ...
>>
>> -J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Here is some non-fiction which is far from the movies:
>>
>>     http://www.tomdispatch.com/__books/175550/
>>
>>     <http://www.tomdispatch.com/books/175550/>
>>
>>     --c.a.
>>
>>
>>     On 11/07/2013 11:37 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Imagination can't be driven by those individuals, they are just
>>         disclosing leaked and/or stole information, and science fiction
>>         is only
>>         for the movies.
>>
>>         -J
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Rudi Rusdiah <[log in to unmask]
>>         <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>         <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
>>
>>              Cant imagine how powerful is Big Brother and Big Data if
>>         there is no
>>              Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, WikiLeaks...
>>
>>              next... sending the clown... eh the drone :-)
>>
>>              i think Orwell was right :-)
>>
>>
>>