+1 @ Flavio.
Thank you for this information.
I began to wonder if the NetMundial Initiative was an illusion !?!?
+1 @ CGI.br and Brazil !
Cheers!
-Olevie-
2014-11-19 0:51 GMT+00:00 Flávio Rech Wagner <[log in to unmask]>:
> Robin
>
> I have been informed that the "transitional council" of the NMI -
> NETmundial Initiative (which contains representatives from ICANN, CGI.br
> and WEF and is provisory, until the 25 names of the permanent council have
> been defined) is having an intense dialogue with CSCG (the Civil Society
> Coordination Group) and, together, they shall come to a solution for
> appointing names to the council by consensus and fully respecting
> nominations from Civil Society. There is no intention whatsoever from the
> transitional council to indicate names in a closed, top-down manner and
> without full endorsement from CSCG.
>
> The transitional council also expects to achieve similar solutions for
> appointing names that will represent other stakeholder groups.
>
> Please notice that CGI.br (the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee),
> which is one of the entities proposing the NMI, would never agree with
> top-down, closed decisions that would strongly undermine CGI's legitimacy
> as a true bottom-up, multistakeholder body. CGI.br is completely committed
> to preserve the NETmundial principles in the implementation of the NMI.
>
> Please remember also that, when NETmundial was proposed by the end of
> 2013, all of us in the global Internet Governance (IG) community, because
> of lack of information, were puzzled about its organization and possible
> success and outcomes. But the global community faced the challenge and
> transformed a vague idea into a successful event, with a true
> multistakeholder organization, with very open and transparent processes,
> and with a final document that was achieved by rough consensus and approved
> governance principles that were praised by most of the stakeholders
> (including human rights and other principles that are extremely valued by
> Civil Society).
>
> So let's try to transform NMI, which is still also a vague idea, into
> something that is concrete and useful for the advancement of IG and that
> fully respects the principles enshrined in the NETmundial declaration.
>
> Flávio
> (NCUC member and member of the Board of CGI.br)
>
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Should NCSG participate in the NetMundial Initiative? We are still
> waiting for confirmation from its secretariat as to whether or not civil
> society will be allowed to select all of its own representatives to the
> "coordination council" or if the secretariat will reserve the right to
> select some of civil society's representatives for us. (The NMI
> secretariat have civil society orgs in mind who will be bring publicity and
> good PR to their project, but don't actually engage on these issues).
>
> In my mind this is a critical question, and since the secretariat has
> been unwilling to confirm this yet, I remain skeptical of the initiative
> and our "legitimization" of it; however if the response from the
> secretariat is that they will play a "hands off" role in terms of civil
> society representatives, I'll be happy to change my mind.
>
> It is important that this initiative, in practice, live up the
> Netmundial principles (including stakeholders select their own
> representatives). If the NMI organizers cannot confirm that much, then it
> is just an appropriation of the NetMundial label without the principles
> that we worked very hard in Sao Paulo to achieve.
>
> At this point, while we wait for clarification from NMI's secretariat,
> each of the groups in the CSCG are asked to consider if they believe they
> should participate in the initiative. So I ask this of NCSG. JustNet
> Coalition has already decided against it. Importantly, ISOC has said it
> will not participate in the initiative or its coordination council because
> it lacks openness, bottom-up orientation, accountability, and transparency
> in its structure and operations.
>
> We've heard that Fadi is touting CSCG's letter to the secretariat asking
> to select the civil society representatives as evidence of civil society's
> support for his initiative and as "legitimizing" the NMI. What Fadi
> doesn't understand yet, however, is that our sending the letter requesting
> to be involved is not what "legitimizes" NMI. It is whether NMI actually
> "walks the talk" and permits civil society to, in fact, make our own
> determinations for who should represent us - and *in practice* - not just
> words - live up the NetMundial principles of bottom-up governance,
> openness, transparency, accountability, etc.
>
> A few Pro & Con arguments below. Please send your thoughts. I'll
> update as soon as we have some news one way or the other from the NMI
> secretariat.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> FOR INVOLVEMENT
>
> With ITU a governments only forum and no real will to change, and IGF as a
> forum with no power to make recommendations or take decisions and again no
> will to change, there is no credible venue to initiate action on non
> technical issues or issues not within the remit of Istar organisations
> These would include surveillance issues, human rights issues, net
> neutrality issues, to name a few.
>
> The solid commitment to NetMundial principles promised, if carried out in
> practice, would create a credible and open initiative
>
> There is a need for a representative forum capable of moving us forward on
> a range of issues not covered by existing institutions
>
> Participation is strongly supported by some sections of civil society
>
>
>
> AGAINST INVOLVEMENT
>
> The last thing we need is a corporate takeover of internet governance and
> this could become that
>
> ISOC has withdrawn
>
> Participation is strongly opposed by some sections of civil society
>
> This initiative has a track record of poor communication
>
> Not bottom-up or transparent so far
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
> Statement from the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) from today. CSCG
> is comprised of the Internet Governance civil society networks of NCSG,
> APC, Best Bits, JustNet, Diplo Foundation, Internet Governance Caucus, and
> Civicus. - Robin
>
> *UPDATE ON CIVIL SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET MUNDIAL INITIATIVE.*
>
> Please note that Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group
> (CSCG) participation in the new Net Mundial initiative is still under
> consideration. CSCG has written to the NMI Secretariat and Transitional
> Council suggesting that it play a co-ordinating role in the selection of
> civil society representatives in a coordinated bottom up manner, rather
> than these decisions being made by the Transitional Council (which has no
> civil society representation). This is still under discussion; however, we
> do not yet have a proposal with sufficient clarity for member coalitions to
> be able to decide on participation or not. While Just Net Coalition (JNC)
> has already determined it will not participate, other members are waiting
> for clarity on our proposal for a bottom up and inclusive procedure for
> determining civil society representatives before making any final decisions
> on participation.
>
> Our letter to the NMI Secretariat and Transitional Council in no way
> signifies that any or all CS organisations have made a final decision on
> whether to engage with the NMI in a formal selection process or to
> participate in the NMI process.
>
>
>
>
>
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