right
it is not part of the 800 or so sector members……

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On 8 Aug 2016, at 9:15, avri doria wrote:

> As far as I know ICANN is not a sector member of the ITU.
>
> avri
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> On 08-Aug-16 09:44, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. wrote:
>> I see a few hundred of stakeholders in ITU (Sector members). Even
>> ISOC. But I don’t see ICANN
>>
>>
>> https://www.itu.int/online/mm/scripts/gensel11
>>
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>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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>> On 8 Aug 2016, at 7:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote:
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>>> And ICANN is a "stakeholder without standing" in the ITU. As Internet
>>> governance comes of age it will transpire in many locations and at
>>> many levels.
>>> Just like stakeholders within ICANN, ICANN will have to figure out
>>> how to be everywhere almost all the time to deal with policy issues
>>> that impinge on its remit.
>>>
>>> Sam L.
>>>
>>> On 2016-08-07 8:47 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> But I guess GAC has less well-defined institutional dynamics than
>>>>> ITU.  Is that
>>>>> the difference you're getting at? -- I'm no expert on ITU either...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, are we now considering governments "stakeholders" too?  If so,
>>>>> why not
>>>>> just make GAC a garden-variety SG in GNSO?  The "GSG" -- Government
>>>>> Stakeholder Group?
>>>> Bingo. That's what is happening.
>>>>
>>>>> I may not be expert in the implications of the term of art
>>>>> "multilateral"
>>>>> but I honestly don't see much difference in ICANN being whip-tailed
>>>>> by GAC or
>>>>> ITU if the dynamic is comparable.  Can you elaborate on this
>>>>> distinction?
>>>> The difference is that an ICANN completely dominated by governments
>>>> is worse than the ITU because ICANN has global hierarchical power
>>>> over the DNS, whereas as a treaty-based organization the ITU cannot
>>>> make any sovereign member do something it doesn't want to do. When
>>>> ICANN imposes rules on how DNS works however, it has global effect.
>>>>
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