Hi,
Alwasy good to hear from you.
And to have you on the list.
I to want to join this effort. Getting ICANN to understand how to be
accuntable to the bottom-up processes, remains a challenge.
avri
On 08-Aug-14 06:18, Norbert Klein wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> though I live at present in a region of Cambodia with no regular
> reliable Internet access, I continue to follow things. Robin will
> remember, from the time when we were both GNSO councilors, that we
> shared this concern about lip-service to bottom-up commitments by staff,
> combined with the strong role that staff took from time to time,
> forgetting the community voices or GNSO procedures.
>
> If there will be a special working group on ICANN accountability, please
> allow me to be on the list, though I probably will not be able to
> participate always in a timely manner.
>
> We should never give up to raise our concerns.
>
>
> Norbert
> Kep/Cambodia
>
> =
>
> On 8/8/2014 2:18 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
>> Ditto. Thanks for your leadership on this Rafik. I know from past
>> conversations how close these issues are to your heart. Please count
>> me in, in whatever form the group takes.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:34:39 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4
>> August 2014 ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion
>>
>> Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we form a
>> dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability and
>> coordinate our efforts in the most effective way. Should we set
>> up a dedicated email list and begin to formulate a response to
>> staff's proposal?
>>
>> Best,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> @Robin yes you can share with me (and in the list) your questions
>>> and I will send them to staff.
>>>
>>> I attended the call and the tone and substance of the responses
>>> were quite concerning. my first question there was about the role
>>> and involvement of the board for selecting the experts and it was
>>> not really answered.
>>>
>>> At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of stakeholders group and
>>> constituencies are discussing what should be done and
>>> following-up the statement we made for the public forum in London
>>> ICANN meeting. I will send more updates soon.
>>>
>>> CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder or interest group in
>>> this particular process and so we should design one where they
>>> can create less interference so we need specific suggestions here
>>> to mitigate the risks. the idea of cross-community group was also
>>> discussed but there are still open questions because it is not
>>> just about changing the label from community assembly. we are
>>> also still waiting for the summary of comments from the public
>>> comments period.
>>>
>>> what I suggest:
>>> - we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group to follow-up of our
>>> statement on accountability but also individual comments from
>>> members. we need to be responsive and following exclusively the
>>> process, lasting for months, with dedicated volunteers who can
>>> volunteer and keep other members updated. so this is proposal to
>>> be discussed and kind of call for volunteers. I welcome
>>> suggestions on how to implement this. Registries SG set up its
>>> own internal working group on accountability, we can adopt such
>>> best practices and experiment (not sure if ALAC has its group too)
>>> - as quick action : collecting and consolidating all questions
>>> and comments regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff such
>>> as questions from Robin.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2014-08-07 3:19 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>:
>>>
>>> Yes, indeed. I listened to the call and was disappointed by
>>> staff's proposal to control the accountability process and
>>> defensiveness when called on it. We have been asking staff
>>> for information on what it would be proposing for a couple
>>> months (at GNSO mtg & last "leaders" call) and we were just
>>> told not to worry about it, that staff was busy compiling the
>>> input and would dialogue with us soon. Finally, without
>>> seeing the "synthesis" of the community input, we get this
>>> half-baked proposal from Fadi that calls for a process of
>>> two-tier accountability groups in which board-staff controls
>>> the group that "prioritizes" issues and "solutions". The 7
>>> "experts" board selects for this group aren't really part of
>>> a "community" coordination group. Experts are great, but
>>> they should be selected by and report to the community (not
>>> board-staff) and not pretend like they represent stakeholders
>>> in the community. Also, staff's proposal doesn't quite say
>>> who will be making final decisions regarding the output of
>>> the groups proposed. Also, staff should be in this group in
>>> an informational / support / liaison sort of role, not as an
>>> equal participant with the community members.
>>>
>>> Rather than try to design the whole accountability process
>>> internally to create a process that board-staff could control
>>> the output of, the community should have been engaged in the
>>> formulation of this proposal, as we've been asking every time
>>> we get to speak to them.
>>>
>>> It seems like the input staff will now take is minor, around
>>> the edges and relating to the community assembly / working
>>> group -- and NOT the more important decisional body it is
>>> proposing. Hopefully we can get some significant changes and
>>> clarifications to this staff proposal for accountability at
>>> ICANN before Fadi declares that the community is aligned in
>>> support of his plan.
>>>
>>> Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to staff? (or if there
>>> is a mechanism for me to do that, I'd be glad to do it
>>> myself). But this accountability plan is half-baked and
>>> needs more input from the community before it should go forward.
>>>
>>> When will staff learn that trust must be earned and these
>>> sorts of constant shenanigans only hinder confidence and
>>> trust in ICANN's legitimacy to govern?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>
>>> > Interesting reading
>>> >
>>> > avri
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript
>>> of 4 August 2014
>>> > ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion
>>> > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:34:10 +0100
>>> > From: Jonathan Robinson <[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> > Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> > Organization: Afilias
>>> > To: <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > All,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > FYI.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Audio not attached (its 16MB). All available at the link below.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jonathan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>> > *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30
>>> > *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David Olive; Byron Holland;
>>> > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>;
>>> Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ
>>> > Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström; Jun Murai; Lars-Johan
>>> Liman; Elisa
>>> > Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina Rosette; Rafik Dammak;
>>> William Drake; Rudi
>>> > Vansnick; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Drazek, Keith
>>> > *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina Shelebian; Global Leadership;
>>> Duncan Burns;
>>> > Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel; Marika Konings; Heidi
>>> Ullrich; Steve Sheng
>>> > *Subject:* FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014
>>> ICANN
>>> > Accountability Leadership Discussion
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Attached please find the recording of yesterday's
>>> discussion along with
>>> > the call transcript and the AC Room chat transcript. All three
>>> > documents are now posted on the CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership
>>> Connect page
>>> > at
>>> https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar
>>> .
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Rob
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty
>>> Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August 4 2014 Chat Special
>>> Session.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>
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