Robin, couple of thoughts inline....

On 11/18/2014 6:15 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Should NCSG participate in the NetMundial Initiative?   We are still 
> waiting for confirmation from its secretariat as to whether or not 
> civil society will be allowed to select all of its own representatives 
> to the "coordination council" or if the secretariat will reserve the 
> right to select some of civil society's representatives for us.  (The 
> NMI secretariat have civil society orgs in mind who will be bring 
> publicity and good PR to their project, but don't actually engage on 
> these issues).
>
> In my mind this is a critical question, and since the secretariat has 
> been unwilling to confirm this yet, I remain skeptical of the 
> initiative and our "legitimization" of it; however if the response 
> from the secretariat is that they will play a "hands off" role in 
> terms of civil society representatives, I'll be happy to change my mind.
I completely agree - this should be determined by CS, or some subset, or 
individuals, but NOT led by the Coordination Council. Otherwise I'm 
guessing we'll get some of Fadi and Klaus' civil society favorites (I 
can think of one at least).
>
> It is important that this initiative, in practice, live up the 
> Netmundial principles (including stakeholders select their own 
> representatives).  If the NMI organizers cannot confirm that much, 
> then it is just an appropriation of the NetMundial label without the 
> principles that we worked very hard in Sao Paulo to achieve.
Personally, I find the "sign up to the principles" a bit fatuous - 
almost as if by having this artifice it legitimizes the project - I hope 
its not a prerequisite of participation.
>
> At this point, while we wait for clarification from NMI's secretariat, 
> each of the groups in the CSCG are asked to consider if they believe 
> they should participate in the initiative.  So I ask this of NCSG. 
>  JustNet Coalition has already decided against it.  Importantly, ISOC 
> has said it will not participate in the initiative or its coordination 
> council because it lacks openness, bottom-up orientation, 
> accountability, and transparency in its structure and operations.
>
> We've heard that Fadi is touting CSCG's letter to the secretariat 
> asking to select the civil society representatives as evidence of 
> civil society's support for his initiative and as "legitimizing" the NMI.
Dreadful and such a pointer to what this _could_ be: grandstanding, 
promoting a few favorite projects, all about the PR, etc.

Despite this I feel that we might consider having a seat BUT ONLY if we 
have a real say in the formation, selection, endorsement, creation, 
etc., of the projects this effort may spawn.
> What Fadi doesn't understand yet, however, is that our sending the 
> letter requesting to be involved is not what "legitimizes" NMI.  It is 
> whether NMI actually "walks the talk" and permits civil society to, in 
> fact, make our own determinations for who should represent us - and 
> */in practice/* - not just words - live up the NetMundial principles 
> of bottom-up governance, openness, transparency, accountability, etc.
I wish we could come up with some un-NMI project, maybe with ISOC, maybe 
others....
>
> A few Pro & Con arguments below.  Please send your thoughts.  I'll 
> update as soon as we have some news one way or the other from the NMI 
> secretariat.
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> FOR INVOLVEMENT
>
> With ITU a governments only forum and no real will to change, and IGF 
> as a forum with no power to make recommendations or take decisions and 
> again no will to change, there is no credible venue to initiate action 
> on non technical issues or issues not within the remit of Istar 
> organisations These would include surveillance issues, human rights 
> issues, net neutrality issues, to name a few.
>
> The solid commitment to NetMundial principles promised, if carried out 
> in practice, would create a credible and open initiative
>
> There is a need for a representative forum capable of moving us 
> forward on a range of issues not covered by existing institutions
>
> Participation is strongly supported by some sections of civil society
>
>
>
> AGAINST INVOLVEMENT
>
> The last thing we need is a corporate takeover of internet governance 
> and this could become that
>
> ISOC has withdrawn
>
> Participation is strongly opposed by some sections of civil society
>
> This initiative has a track record of poor communication
>
> Not bottom-up or transparent so far
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
>> Statement from the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) from 
>> today.  CSCG is comprised of the Internet Governance civil society 
>> networks of NCSG, APC, Best Bits, JustNet, Diplo Foundation, Internet 
>> Governance Caucus, and Civicus.  - Robin
>>
>> *UPDATE ON CIVIL SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET MUNDIAL INITIATIVE.*
>> Please note that Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group 
>> (CSCG) participation in the new Net Mundial initiative is still under 
>> consideration. CSCG has written to the NMI Secretariat and 
>> Transitional Council suggesting that it play a co-ordinating role in 
>> the selection of civil society representatives in a coordinated 
>> bottom up manner, rather than these decisions being made by the 
>> Transitional Council (which has no civil society representation). 
>> This is still under discussion; however, we do not yet have a 
>> proposal with sufficient clarity for member coalitions to be able to 
>> decide on participation or not. While Just Net Coalition (JNC) has 
>> already determined it will not participate, other members are waiting 
>> for clarity on our proposal for a bottom up and inclusive procedure 
>> for determining civil society representatives before making any final 
>> decisions on participation.
>> Our letter to  the NMI Secretariat and Transitional Council in no way 
>> signifies that any or all CS organisations have made a final decision 
>> on whether to engage with the NMI in a formal selection process or to 
>> participate in the NMI process.
>>
>>
>

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