+1 @Ed
Cheers !
-Olevie-
2014-11-18 19:28 GMT+00:00 Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]>:
> Great summary, Robin.
>
> This isn't a black and white issue. From a philosophical standpoint I
> doubt many of us are comfortable with participation in an institution
> created by the nice folks who run the WEF. I also question what ICANN is
> doing pushing this project, one that goes far beyond ICANN's responsibility
> for names and numbers. We all are aware of Fadi's love of all things
> Davos, but raising his profile there should not be done at the expense of
> maintaining ICANN's limited remit.
>
> That said, if it is going to happen anyway it's probably best to be
> involved (while, conversely, opposing ICANN's role in creating the NMI)
> provided CS is allowed to select its own representatives. In no way should
> we participate if the NMI secretariat is involved in the selection of
> specific stakeholders. Bottom up is something the WEF will have trouble
> with. If they can cut against their elitist instincts and accept a more
> egalitarian selection process for CS reps that we can accept then I'd be
> inclined to participate. It would be a good chance to push our agenda to
> elites who may, in fact, be receptive to our ideas but are only now
> involved in IG due to the nature of those who are organising the forum.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 10:15:29 -0800
> Subject: Re: UPDATE ON CIVIL SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET MUNDIAL
> INITIATIVE
>
> Folks,
>
> Should NCSG participate in the NetMundial Initiative? We are still
> waiting for confirmation from its secretariat as to whether or not civil
> society will be allowed to select all of its own representatives to the
> "coordination council" or if the secretariat will reserve the right to
> select some of civil society's representatives for us. (The NMI
> secretariat have civil society orgs in mind who will be bring publicity and
> good PR to their project, but don't actually engage on these issues).
>
> In my mind this is a critical question, and since the secretariat has been
> unwilling to confirm this yet, I remain skeptical of the initiative and our
> "legitimization" of it; however if the response from the secretariat is
> that they will play a "hands off" role in terms of civil society
> representatives, I'll be happy to change my mind.
>
> It is important that this initiative, in practice, live up the Netmundial
> principles (including stakeholders select their own representatives). If
> the NMI organizers cannot confirm that much, then it is just an
> appropriation of the NetMundial label without the principles that we worked
> very hard in Sao Paulo to achieve.
>
> At this point, while we wait for clarification from NMI's secretariat,
> each of the groups in the CSCG are asked to consider if they believe they
> should participate in the initiative. So I ask this of NCSG. JustNet
> Coalition has already decided against it. Importantly, ISOC has said it
> will not participate in the initiative or its coordination council because
> it lacks openness, bottom-up orientation, accountability, and transparency
> in its structure and operations.
>
> We've heard that Fadi is touting CSCG's letter to the secretariat asking
> to select the civil society representatives as evidence of civil society's
> support for his initiative and as "legitimizing" the NMI. What Fadi
> doesn't understand yet, however, is that our sending the letter requesting
> to be involved is not what "legitimizes" NMI. It is whether NMI actually
> "walks the talk" and permits civil society to, in fact, make our own
> determinations for who should represent us - and *in practice * - not
> just words - live up the NetMundial principles of bottom-up governance,
> openness, transparency, accountability, etc.
>
> A few Pro & Con arguments below. Please send your thoughts. I'll update
> as soon as we have some news one way or the other from the NMI secretariat.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> FOR INVOLVEMENT
>
> With ITU a governments only forum and no real will to change, and IGF as a
> forum with no power to make recommendations or take decisions and again no
> will to change, there is no credible venue to initiate action on non
> technical issues or issues not within the remit of Istar organisations
> These would include surveillance issues, human rights issues, net
> neutrality issues, to name a few.
>
> The solid commitment to NetMundial principles promised, if carried out in
> practice, would create a credible and open initiative
>
> There is a need for a representative forum capable of moving us forward on
> a range of issues not covered by existing institutions
>
> Participation is strongly supported by some sections of civil society
>
>
>
> AGAINST INVOLVEMENT
>
> The last thing we need is a corporate takeover of internet governance and
> this could become that
>
> ISOC has withdrawn
>
> Participation is strongly opposed by some sections of civil society
>
> This initiative has a track record of poor communication
>
> Not bottom-up or transparent so far
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
>
> Statement from the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) from today.
> CSCG is comprised of the Internet Governance civil society networks of
> NCSG, APC, Best Bits, JustNet, Diplo Foundation, Internet Governance
> Caucus, and Civicus. - Robin
>
> *UPDATE ON CIVIL SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET MUNDIAL INITIATIVE.*
>
> Please note that Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group
> (CSCG) participation in the new Net Mundial initiative is still under
> consideration. CSCG has written to the NMI Secretariat and Transitional
> Council suggesting that it play a co-ordinating role in the selection of
> civil society representatives in a coordinated bottom up manner, rather
> than these decisions being made by the Transitional Council (which has no
> civil society representation). This is still under discussion; however, we
> do not yet have a proposal with sufficient clarity for member coalitions to
> be able to decide on participation or not. While Just Net Coalition (JNC)
> has already determined it will not participate, other members are waiting
> for clarity on our proposal for a bottom up and inclusive procedure for
> determining civil society representatives before making any final decisions
> on participation.
>
> Our letter to the NMI Secretariat and Transitional Council in no way
> signifies that any or all CS organisations have made a final decision on
> whether to engage with the NMI in a formal selection process or to
> participate in the NMI process.
>
>
>
>
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