the subtle mathematics of voting……

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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On 22 Aug 2016, at 6:46, avri doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The way I always thought NOTA worked in a ranking election as we have
> for council, is that if someone picked NOTA instead of one candidate,
> they were saying they preferred no one to that person.
>
> If they picked NOTA instead of 2 or 3 they preferred NOTA to any of 
> them.
>
> After the counting, the top n win (3 in this case), except that anyone
> who got fewer votes than NOTA would not.  If there were fewer people
> that 3 above NOTA, then we would need another election to fill the 
> empty
> slot (s).
>
> Our various EC were supposed to write procedures defining all of this
> stuff years ago.  Unfortunately they have functioned more as 
> membership
> committee than an EC doing the chartered work of proposing procedures 
> as
> defined in the charter.
>
> avri
>
>
>
>
> On 22-Aug-16 08:23, James Gannon wrote:
>> Hi Tapani,
>>
>> In the absence of something in the charter, can you clarify what the 
>> situation is with regards to NOTA votes if NOTA places above a 
>> natural person in the final vote what is the situation?
>>
>> -James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22/08/2016, 10:54, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" 
>> <[log in to unmask] on behalf of 
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 09:44:10AM +0000, James Gannon 
>>> ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just on process where does the NOTA candidate come from with 
>>>> regards
>>>> to our charter, as it seems that the inclusion of a NOTA candidate
>>>> is not referenced anywhere.
>>> While NotA is not explicitly mentioned in the charter, it has been
>>> discussed in the past and an explicit NotA choice has been felt
>>> to be useful. I'm only following precedent here.
>>>
>>>> Also we have a serious election process flaw in that with the 
>>>> manner
>>>> in which NOTA is given is makes it impossible for us not to elect a
>>>> full slate of candidates if the number of candidates matches the
>>>> number of positions, which makes this essentially an acclimation.
>>> How so? You can select any number of candidates, up to three.
>>>
>>> Arguably NotA is redundant in that the practical effect is
>>> the same as not selecting any candidates, but in the past
>>> it has been considered better to have it as an explicit choice.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tapani Tarvainen
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