Dear Ayden, Dear listmembers
I think this is a good discussion. Yes, it looks like we are stuck in
regional definitions that simply do not reflect the real world we are
living in. I lived for more then 10 years in Ecuador, (I am an
Ecuadorian citizen, besides my other citizenships) and India each, I
spend long times in North America, I never see myself as a German, but
as a Hessian first and as a European second. What am I? I think with
regard to diversity we need to make sure that under developed regions
are well represented, but we can not base things on pieces of paper that
belong in the old pre digital revolution world. Something to put on the
list for future charter changes.
Yours
Klaus
On 8/4/2016 7:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I wanted to pull out a comment from an email that Marília sent to the
> list yesterday:
>
> Having consulted staff, I was informed that ICANN considers that
> someone's region is: a) the country of your citizenship; b) the
> country where you pay your taxes. For me, neither of these
> parameters have changed. My citizenship is the same and I will pay
> my taxes in Brazil. Others with more experience could confirm if
> this is correct and consistent with previous NCSG practice. I
> believe that a discussion about criteria among us would be useful
> and I am ok with any decision we made as a group, which should be
> consistently applied.
>
>
> This is an interesting discussion to be had, and I think it is one
> which we as a community need to have because at the community level,
> we /are/ able to flexibly apply geographic diversity principles.
> ICANN's Geographic Regions Framework only sets in stone the
> scenario Marília described (citizenship requirement and country of
> domicile) for Board members.
>
> I may be mistaken but I do not believe this same definition applies to
> all other ICANN sub-structures. Rather, community participation in the
> SO-ACs is encouraged and supported, but there is an understanding that
> individual communities are in the best position to craft unique
> operational solutions that honour the central goal of fostering
> diversity within their operations and individual leadership teams. So
> I'm presuming our elections require the election of people from
> different regions because we've set this out in the NCSG charter or
> NCUC/NPOC bylaws?
>
> This flexibility is an idea I have wrestled with but have come to
> support, because while a strict adherence to certain, arbitrarily-set
> standards might be a good outcome for some SO-AC structures, I doubt
> the inflexibility of such a requirement would be in our best interest.
>
> I am firmly in support of diversity. It is something that should be
> fostered and encouraged at all levels. I also am strongly in support
> of ICANN’s efforts to internationalise. Where I disagree, however, is
> with the idea that we can rely on one’s citizenship or country of
> residence to produce diversity. It is something which should be
> considered, but human diversity is far too complex to be narrowed down
> to just this metric.
>
> To draw on my own personal experience – and I feel this is an issue
> not isolated to only a handful of instances – my citizenship is
> Australian, but I live in the UK and have previously lived in Canada,
> Indonesia, and Argentina, among a few other places. The idea, however,
> that if I was in a leadership role that I could represent my ‘home
> region’ when I am not a long-term resident of a country in
> Asia-Pacific strikes me as a little disingenuous. Checking off a
> passport might be an easy way of measuring diversity but I don’t think
> it genuinely achieves diversity. Likewise, I don’t consider measuring
> one's residency in a country to necessarily be a better path forward.
> An expat living abroad, with no understanding of that region’s
> culture, people, and/or languages has no legitimacy, in my eyes, to
> represent that region.
>
> I am NOT insinuating that this is the case for any of our past or
> current elected representatives; I just want to flag this as a
> conversation we might want to have at some point in time, because to
> measure the diversity of those in our leadership roles on the basis of
> their citizenship or residency in a country alone could place our
> diversity goals in danger.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be a better path forward?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 12:06 PM, Marilia Maciel [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Dear Avri, dear all,
>
> I just would like to make a comment on something that was
> mentioned before.
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:05 PM, avri doria <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The NCSG is assigned six (6) GNSO Council seats through the
> ICANN
> > Bylaws. All NCSG GNSO Council representatives will be
> directly voted
> > on by the full membership of the NCSG using weighted voting
> as defined
> > in Section 4. To the maximum extent possible, no more than
> two (2)
> > NCSG GNSO Council Representatives can be declared resident
> of the same
> > geographic region as defined by ICANN. Reasonable efforts
> should be
> > taken to recruit nominees so that all geographical regions
> may be
> > represented by the NCSG GNSO Council Representatives. Reasonable
> > efforts should also be taken to ensure gender balance and in no
> > circumstance should there be fewer than 2 members of any gender.
>
> Our incumbents are Marilia ( recently moved to Europe) ,
> Stefania (
> Europe) and Amr (having moved back to Egypt) , which at the
> moment might
> mean we already have 2 Europeans and 1 African, but no LAC, NA
> or AP
> continuing, with one NA continuing. We may not have an available
> European seat. We do seem, though, to have a male seat.
>
>
> Having consulted staff, I was informed that ICANN considers that
> someone's region is: a) the country of your citizenship; b) the
> country where you pay your taxes. For me, neither of these
> parameters have changed. My citzenship is the same and I will pay
> my taxes in Brazil. Others with more experience could confirm if
> this is correct and consistent with previous NCSG practice. I
> believe that a discussion about criteria among us would be useful
> and I am ok with any decision we made as a group, which should be
> consistently applied.
>
> In any case, it is important to clarify that I started in my new
> position only yesterday, as annouced here:
> http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/diplo’s-ig-team-welcomes-new-staff-members
> and consequently, my SOI will be updated in the following days.
>
> All the best wishes,
> Marilia
>
>
> avri
>
> On 01-Aug-16 08:13, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I am honored to nominate Edward Morris as European
> representative for
> > the NCSG on the GNSO Council.
> >
> > Ed currently holds this position and, as we have seen, he
> takes his
> > job very seriously. Ed works tirelessly as an NCSG
> representative in
> > the Council's job of overseeing the policy development
> process. He
> > fights to ensure that Issues Report and Charters – key
> documents that
> > kick off a new Policy Development Processes – are fair and
> balanced.
> > He works with our NCSG Counselors and others to guide
> well-developed
> > policies (developed by the Working Groups) to the Board for
> adoption
> > (without the changes and circumvention some parties often
> seek to add).
> >
> > Ed is a leader in the cross-cutting work of Council where he
> has led
> > our GNSO response to ICANN's Budget with an in-depth review and
> > critique, and key recommendations for changes. He regularly
> serves on
> > Council subgroups working on responses to the issues the
> GNSO faces
> > within ICANN.
> >
> > We know Ed best in the last two years as a leader in the
> CCWG process
> > fighting for Transparency, Accountability and Free
> Expression. The
> > thousands of hours he spent on these issue (alongside Robin,
> Matt and
> > so many others) were critical to the provisions and bylaws
> adopted.
> >
> > As we continue the Transition, and three major Policy
> Development
> > Processes (Registration Directory Services, Rights Protection
> > Mechanisms Review and New gTLD Subsequent Procedures) now in
> progress,
> > this is a great time to continue our outstanding leadership.
> Ed is a
> > tireless advocate for our NCSG interests on Council and
> throughout
> > ICANN. He is an attorney specializing in politics &
> government, free
> > expression, intellectual property and cybersecurity and
> whose advocacy
> > and legal skills are needed in this important time of change and
> > trasition. His passion, advocacy skills, drafting skills, and
> > Multistakeholder vision are well-known.
> >
> > /My great thanks to Ed for his passion, commitment and
> thousands of
> > hours of work for NCSG on Council, and I hereby submit Ed Morris' name
> > to you for a second term as our European representative on
> the GNSO
> > Council. /
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Kathy Kleiman
>
>
>
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> Ayden Férdeline
> Statement of Interest
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+F%C3%A9rdeline+SOI>
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