Hi Kathy,
Thanks for your comments. I just wanted to pick up on something; you mentioned
that (similar, presumably) legal structures should be one of our guiding
instruments in the new geographic regions framework. What were you thinking of
here? That in the GAC, ICANN should be measuring how many members have common
and civil law along with, say, Sharia law provisions, in relation to the total
number of countries in the world with those legal systems? How valuable would
that be?
I am not a lawyer so my understanding of this topic is very limited: I thought
every country's legal system had its own identity - though some have been inherited from or influenced by colonialism, or another factor - so I'm not
certain as to what we would be trying to achieve here. What type of diversity
would you like to see in terms of legal structures?
Many thanks,
Ayden
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 4:07 PM, Kathy Kleiman [log in to unmask] wrote:
All, I am not sure that the technical regions need to be our guiding point here.
As Wolfgang points out, the technical regions are a little skewed. I would like
language, culture, legal structure, civil society structures, and business
structures should be our guide here. Quick note that Mexico was “deemed” part of
the Latin American region at the founding of ICANN for these reasons. Tx for the
work and discussion! Best, Kathy On 3/31/2016 7:25 AM, “Kleinwächter, Wolfgang”
wrote: > All this can be understood only in the historical context: Look at the
service region for today´s RIPE
NCC(https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/info/list-of-members/europe)
which - as the “European” RIR - inlcudes Middle East and Central Asien
countries. When AFRINIC was formed in the early 2000s they took mainly
sub-saharian countries which were served previously by ARIN and RIPE and left
some middle east countries with RIPE. Difficult to explain . But the good news
is: It works.... > > wolfgang > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von:
NCSG-Discuss im Auftrag von Shane Kerr > Gesendet: Do 31.03.2016 13:06 > An:
[log in to unmask] > Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Geographic Regions
Review Working Group Report - NCSG Response > > Seun, > > While ARIN predates
ICANN, when ICANN was formed ARIN was still the RIR > for North America, South
America, and sub-Saharan Africa. Certainly in > the case of Jamaica, since the
official language is English it made a > certain amount of sense for them to
have stayed with ARIN as an RIR. > > The Caribbean islands all have unique
backgrounds, and I suspect trying > to group them to get any kind of regional
consensus is always going to > be problematic. :) > > Cheers, > > -- > Shane > >
At 2016-03-29 21:55:41 +0100 > Seun Ojedeji wrote: > >> That particularly amazed me Tracy. There is an ARIN meeting that
will be >> holding in Jamaica sometime in April. It was quite interesting for me
to >> learn that based on ICANN categorisation, .jm fall under the LAC zone even
>> though it's within the ARIN region (RIR wise). Don't know how much this >>
impacts on the work of the NCSG but I believe it does for the At-Large >>
community. >> >> Considering that ARIN predates ICANN, one would expect there is
already >> existing data set to work with. Nevertheless, I guess there may have
been >> some other reason that informed their decision which ofcourse is
currently >> be out of my reach/grasps >> >> Regards >> >> Sent from my LG G4 >>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos >> On 29 Mar 2016 9:08 p.m., “Tracy F. Hackshaw” >> wrote: >> >>> See ARIN - LACNIC split in the Caribbean region. >>> >>> Sent
from my Fire >>> >>> >>> On March 29, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Ayden Férdeline >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Karel, >>> >>> While that concern was raised, my
understanding is that it was not carried >>> forward into the recommendations.
The Working Group did not recommend >>> moving most of the Caribbean region from
the ICANN silo of Latin America to >>> North America because it feared the two
regions would be split on >>> geographical and linguistic lines (I would suggest
they already are.), >>> among other reasons of “practicality”. It does, however,
have provisions in >>> place to allow a country's government to voluntarily
request to move to >>> another region. The procedures around how this would
happen have not yet >>> been developed by Staff. >>> >>> I welcome any comments
or suggestions you might have for our statement, >>> and I look forward to
reading your additions. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Ayden >>> >>> >>> On Tue,
Mar 29, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Karel Douglas >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Good work - I read the NCUC report which caused me to
immediately >>>> read the final report of the WG. >>>> >>>> I'm glad that the
issue of the Caribbean region was discussed as it is a >>>> very topical issue.
>>>> >>>> Carlton Samuels was on the WG and would have highlighted the concerns
>>>> that we have. >>>> >>>> I will certainly try to add a few comments on your
document. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Karel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at
1:26 PM, Ayden Férdeline >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, team- >>>>> >>>>> I have drafted a response to
the final report of the Geographic Regions >>>>> Review Working Group. Comments
are due in about 25 days time but if we do >>>>> decide to reply, I hope we can
submit something in advance of that >>>>> deadline. I've shared my first draft
on Google Docs here >>>>> >>>>> and have also attached it to this email for those without access to that
>>>>> website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c2vVT2DNO73l89wfZTvKtY70rmaid8g7XBO-Vto9SM/edit
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can read the Working Group's final report here: >>>>>
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/geo-regions-2015-12-23-en >>>>> >>>>> I
suspect that we will have a wide birth of opinions on this topic, so >>>>>
please know that I'm very much open to reviewing or rethinking anything >>>>>
that appears in this early draft. I am also new to writing public comments >>>>>
like this one so welcome any feedback you would be kind enough to share. I >>>>>
look forward to hearing your thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>>
Ayden Férdeline >>>>> >>>>> [image: File] >>>>> >>>>> Ayden Ferdeline - Response - WGGR Report.pdf 36KB >>>>> Download >>>>> >>>>> [image: >>>>> Logo] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> Ayden Férdeline >>> Statement of Interest >>> >>> >>> >>> Ayden Férdeline >>> Statement of Interest >>> >>>
Ayden Férdeline Statement of Interest