Hi Robin,
yes lets create the mailing list so we can have the archives. we have
already Ed volunteering to join.
for shared document, we may use google doc or etherpad , our wiki space in
confluence for recording (
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/ICANN+accountability).
it will be populated with what was discussed here as starter.
Best Regards,
Rafik
2014-08-08 2:34 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>:
> Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we form a
> dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability and coordinate our
> efforts in the most effective way. Should we set up a dedicated email
> list and begin to formulate a response to staff's proposal?
>
> Best,
> Robin
>
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi ,
>
> @Robin yes you can share with me (and in the list) your questions and I
> will send them to staff.
>
> I attended the call and the tone and substance of the responses were quite
> concerning. my first question there was about the role and involvement of
> the board for selecting the experts and it was not really answered.
>
> At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of stakeholders group and
> constituencies are discussing what should be done and following-up the
> statement we made for the public forum in London ICANN meeting. I will send
> more updates soon.
>
> CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder or interest group in this
> particular process and so we should design one where they can create less
> interference so we need specific suggestions here to mitigate the risks.
> the idea of cross-community group was also discussed but there are still
> open questions because it is not just about changing the label from
> community assembly. we are also still waiting for the summary of comments
> from the public comments period.
>
> what I suggest:
> - we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group to follow-up of our statement
> on accountability but also individual comments from members. we need to be
> responsive and following exclusively the process, lasting for months, with
> dedicated volunteers who can volunteer and keep other members updated. so
> this is proposal to be discussed and kind of call for volunteers. I welcome
> suggestions on how to implement this. Registries SG set up its own internal
> working group on accountability, we can adopt such best practices and
> experiment (not sure if ALAC has its group too)
> - as quick action : collecting and consolidating all questions and
> comments regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff such as questions
> from Robin.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-08-07 3:19 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Yes, indeed. I listened to the call and was disappointed by staff's
>> proposal to control the accountability process and defensiveness when
>> called on it. We have been asking staff for information on what it would
>> be proposing for a couple months (at GNSO mtg & last "leaders" call) and we
>> were just told not to worry about it, that staff was busy compiling the
>> input and would dialogue with us soon. Finally, without seeing the
>> "synthesis" of the community input, we get this half-baked proposal from
>> Fadi that calls for a process of two-tier accountability groups in which
>> board-staff controls the group that "prioritizes" issues and "solutions".
>> The 7 "experts" board selects for this group aren't really part of a
>> "community" coordination group. Experts are great, but they should be
>> selected by and report to the community (not board-staff) and not pretend
>> like they represent stakeholders in the community. Also, staff's proposal
>> doesn't quite say who will be making final decisions regarding the output
>> of the groups proposed. Also, staff should be in this group in an
>> informational / support / liaison sort of role, not as an equal participant
>> with the community members.
>>
>> Rather than try to design the whole accountability process internally to
>> create a process that board-staff could control the output of, the
>> community should have been engaged in the formulation of this proposal, as
>> we've been asking every time we get to speak to them.
>>
>> It seems like the input staff will now take is minor, around the edges
>> and relating to the community assembly / working group -- and NOT the more
>> important decisional body it is proposing. Hopefully we can get some
>> significant changes and clarifications to this staff proposal for
>> accountability at ICANN before Fadi declares that the community is aligned
>> in support of his plan.
>>
>> Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to staff? (or if there is a
>> mechanism for me to do that, I'd be glad to do it myself). But this
>> accountability plan is half-baked and needs more input from the community
>> before it should go forward.
>>
>> When will staff learn that trust must be earned and these sorts of
>> constant shenanigans only hinder confidence and trust in ICANN's legitimacy
>> to govern?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>> > Interesting reading
>> >
>> > avri
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August
>> 2014
>> > ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:34:10 +0100
>> > From: Jonathan Robinson <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Organization: Afilias
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > FYI.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Audio not attached (its 16MB). All available at the link below.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> > *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30
>> > *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David Olive; Byron Holland;
>> > [log in to unmask]; Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ
>> > Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström; Jun Murai; Lars-Johan Liman; Elisa
>> > Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina Rosette; Rafik Dammak; William Drake; Rudi
>> > Vansnick; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Drazek, Keith
>> > *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina Shelebian; Global Leadership; Duncan Burns;
>> > Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel; Marika Konings; Heidi Ullrich; Steve
>> Sheng
>> > *Subject:* FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN
>> > Accountability Leadership Discussion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Attached please find the recording of yesterday's discussion along with
>> > the call transcript and the AC Room chat transcript. All three
>> > documents are now posted on the CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership Connect page
>> > at https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar
>> .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty
>> Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August 4 2014 Chat Special Session.pdf>
>>
>>
>
>
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