I echo David's comments wholeheartedly, support the Charter as drafted, and
although I can assure David he won't be alone on the Working Group - I'll
be there as well - I hope we can entice others to join us.

We need to get this one right. The entire multi stakeholder model is at
risk, witness TM+50 - hopefully norms established by this Working Group can
help resuscitate it. It would be great to get input into the from all
segments of our membership on the P/I construct: the expertise within the
NCSG is unrivaled and if we can harness it perhaps we can get something out
of this process that will restore the primacy of the governance model we
all believe in.

Ed



On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM, David Cake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Given the various attempts to use the policy vs implementation distinction
> to do an end-run avoidance of proper policy process recently, the work of
> this working group will be vital - and there are plenty of sensible,
> useful, reforms to be discussed as well. I was on the Drafting Team (as was
> Ed), and though I didn't take a very active role, it was because others
> kept jumping in ahead and saying what I wanted to say before I had a chance
> (well, that and they had their meetings at 3am my time).
>
> So, I think the charter is fine, the Working Group is important, and we
> should support it, and ensure we have active representation on the working
> group (I intend to be on it, but I sure don't want to be the only one).  I
> would be very interested to hear comments from other NCSG members on this
> complex issue.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> On 08/07/2013, at 11:16 AM, joy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
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> Forwarding FYI - the motion relates to amending the GNSO bylaws to expand
> the role of the GNSO to include the provision of advice and to this end to
> establish a Policy & Implementation Working Group and proposes a charter
> for the group.
> any comments on this?
> Kind regards
> Joy
>
>
> - -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     [council] RE: Motion to adopt the Charter for the Policy &
> Implementation Working Group
> Date:     Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:36:17 -0700
> From:     Glen de Saint Géry <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>
> To:     WUKnoben <[log in to unmask]><[log in to unmask]>,
> GNSO Council List <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>
> CC:     [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
> Dear Councillors,
>
>
>
> The motion has been posted on page
>
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+17+July+2013
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> *De :*WUKnoben [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>
> ]
> *Envoyé :* vendredi 5 juillet 2013 10:49
> *À :* GNSO Council List
> *Cc :* [log in to unmask]; Glen de Saint Géry
> *Objet :* Motion to adopt the Charter for the Policy & Implementation
> Working Group
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> I’d like to submit the following motion together with the draft charter of
> the WG.
>
> Best regards
>
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
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