Agree with Ed. (As I usually do ;-)
Viktor, the issue you are running into here is that 9 times out of, well, 9, anti-hate speech activism shades into pro-censorship activism, and people here are generally hostile to content controls and censorship. I think we are all in complete solidarity with efforts to prevent violence against minority groups or anyone else, but why not focus on anti-violence, incitement that is directly and demonstrably connected to violence? To categorize a certain class of expression as "hate speech" is inevitably a framing that encourages regulation and censorship of various forms of political speech.
--MM
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> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Edward Morris
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 9:06 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] ICANN and Human Rights & the World Bank and
> Human Rights
>
> Hi Viktor,
>
> Great to see you here!
>
> The traditional position of the NCSG is that ICANN should not get involved in
> content. That is a position I am a strong supporter of, be it content we all
> agree is wonderful and delight in viewing or content some would label hate
> speech. Are you suggesting that ICANN should get involved in regulating hate
> speech? That is a concept I find troubling on a number of grounds and is
> certainly something I would contend is beyond the corporations scope and
> mission.
>
> Best,
>
> Ed Morris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Viktor Szabados <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Niels,
> >
> > No Hate is an example in this regards. I sometimes have problems to
> > understand your very theoretical approach. I like more practical
> > things, we are different.
> >
> > Colleagues of Article 19 are also in our IRPC coalition and for them
> > it does not refer to a night club or anything else. But maybe I have
> > different point of view.
> >
> > thanks,your
> > vik
> >
> >> On 02/10/2015, Niels ten Oever <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> >> Dear Viktor,
> >>
> >> I am not really convinced bu the argument that the Internet has (or
> >> should have) the same status as a night club. If any part of the
> >> Internet would simply drop packets because of the wrong header, we
> >> would simply route around it.
> >>
> >> Am also not sure if this is a sufficient mapping of human rights
> >> online, it seems that most things are described in relation to hate
> >> speech, whereas the is more to say, non-discrimination then what is
> >> described here, no? Take for instance algorithmic decision making.
> >>
> >> Also missed a discussion on Intermediary Liability in the document,
> >> does is align with the Manila Principles?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Niels
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 10/02/2015 10:43 AM, Viktor Szabados wrote:
> >>> Hello Everybody,
> >>>
> >>> let me give also some input from my side, as consultant of the No
> >>> Hate Speech Movement of the Council of Europe. We have a quite good
> >>> summary of all the issues around human rights and Internet, in
> >>> particular linked to hate speech. We run besides the campaign
> >>> conferences, workshops and this guide is also for different
> >>> exercises around this topic. We can offer you inputs and knowledge
> >>> based on the expertise and experience of our campaign run since
> >>> 2012.
> >>>
> >>> An other good network of experts is around the Internet Rights and
> >>> Principles Coalition where I am also member of the board, see our
> >>> Charter also below. The Coalition gained also official observer
> >>> status at the Council of Europe’s Steering Committee on Media
> >>> Information and Society (CDMSI).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> NHSM Council of Europe - No Hate Speech Movement
> >>> http://www.nohatespeechmovement.org Bookmarks p. 144-145 see
> >>> attached, full edition link below
> >>> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/Campaign-Tools-and-Materials/Bookmarks
> >>>
> http://nohate.ext.coe.int/content/download/38987/300906/file/Bookmar
> >>> ks
> >> _EN_online.pdf
> >>>
> >>> Human rights and the Internet The Internet is mostly “owned” and
> >>> controlled by private companies. This makes the protection of human
> >>> rights more complicated, because human rights are really ‘rules for
> >>> governments’, not private companies. If a shopping mall or private
> >>> nightclub wants to forbid people from wearing jeans, protesting, or
> >>> distributing information about another company, all of which are
> >>> forms of ‘expression’, you cannot plead freedom of expression and
> >>> take them to the European Court of Human Rights! In the same way,
> >>> private companies can mostly set the rules that people must abide by
> >>> when using parts of the Internet owned by them. If people do not
> >>> like the rules, they can complain, but the ultimate sanction is
> >>> simply not to use the service. However, this does not mean that
> >>> those parts of the world which are owned by private companies,
> >>> including the Internet, are not regulated by human rights laws!
> >>> Human rights impose (at least) two different types of obligation on
> >>> governments: 1. They set limits on what governments are actively
> >>> allowed to do, for example, they are not allowed to ban all
> >>> political dissent, engage in torture, or deprive someone of their
> >>> liberty without proper reason. 2. They oblige governments to take
> >>> positive action to ensure that rights are properly protected. This
> >>> may mean passing laws which prohibit discrimination, making sure
> >>> that violent acts are prosecuted (and punished), or ensuring that
> >>> victims receive proper protection. ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IRPC Internet Rights and Principles Coalition -
> >>> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/ the charter of human rights
> >>> and principles for the internet
> >>> http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/
> >>> 08
> >> /IRPC_Booklet-English_4thedition.pdf
> >>>
> >>> What do we mean by Human Rights & Principles? Human rights are
> >>> international human rights as defined by international law. We have
> >>> translated these directly to the internet with provisions such as
> >>> freedom from blocking and filtering. These can be identified by the
> >>> use of language such as “everyone has a right to...” and “everyone
> >>> has a freedom to...”. By “Principles” we are talking about those
> >>> internet policy principles or implementation principles that
> >>> describe features of the system which are required to support human
> >>> rights, these can be identified by the use of language such as
> >>> “shall” and “must”. ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Happy to give more insight or connection if needed, just drop me a
> >>> line.
> >>>
> >>> thanks,your vik
> >>>
> >>>> On 01/10/2015, Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>> As we struggle to determine where and how human rights fit into
> >>>> what ICANN is and what it does, it might be useful to read the
> >>>> recent report to the UN General Assembly by the UN Special
> >>>> Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston,
> >>>> submitted in accordance with Human Rights Council resolution 26/.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is short, 23 pages long, and has been used by others to describe
> >>>> the World Bank, in negative terms, as a "Human-Rights Free Zone". I
> >>>> would hate to see that label applied to ICANN.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/274
> >>>>
> >>>> Sam L.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>
> >>> Re: Human Rights@ICANN 54 Inbox Stephanie
> >>> Perrin<[log in to unmask]> 1 October 2015 at 17:32
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>> Gac public safety committee, on Monday at 330 to 430 I believe
> >>> Stephanie
> >>>
> >>> On 2015-10-01 9:44, Marilia Maciel wrote: Dear NCSGers,
> >>>
> >>> Here is a compilation of ICANN sessions that are either about human
> >>> rights or that relate to Human Rights discussions. May be of
> >>> interest to this group.
> >>>
> >>> Please, take a look and see if you would have any
> >>> additions/deletions to make: http://bit.ly/1LSIbvQ
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes, Marília
> >>
> >> - --
> >> Niels ten Oever
> >> Head of Digital
> >>
> >> Article 19
> >> www.article19.org
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