Thanks very much for the clarification Robin and for sharing the letter. Reading it does raise another question for me though – you say below that the NOTA policy you are advocating (that is, that if NOTA does better than a candidate, the seat is vacant, rather than going to that candidate) has been a “long standing interpretation” of the NCSG
Yet, I read the summary of the ballot history that Tapani sent around. He quotes Avri as saying "In the case of the g-council vote, the decision is to pick the top 4 people. So if 'none of the above' comes in in any of the top 4 places, I suggest that it just gets skipped and the top 4 vote getters become the g-council representative. It is just that those who got fewer votes than none of the above, will have a clue about how hard they will have to work in order to represent the membership." http://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1110 <http://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1110&L=ncsg-discuss&D=0&P=115980> &L=ncsg-discuss&D=0&P=115980
Clearly that seems inconsistent with the NOTA = vacant position and I read it to say that the NOTA vote would be a “warning” to the candidate to do better, but that s/he would still get the position.
Can you resolve that? It strikes me as suggesting that the view Tapani has adopted was adopted by Avri a few years ago, no? Or am I misreading this?
Paul
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From: Robin Gross [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] By Laws Section 2.4.2.1 Appeal on the election process
Absolutely Paul. Actually the two issues are inter-twined in this case, rather than being mutually exclusive issues. When some members got their ballots, they expressed confusion about them, and how they are to be interpreted, etc. The chair’s explanation of NOTA to this list caused further concern and confusion on what it means to cast a NOTA vote on the ballot. The chair said that if you vote for one council candidate and also vote for NOTA, your vote will be invalided. As in, your vote doesn’t count. You can only accept all or none of the candidates under the chair’s interpretation of NOTA on this ballot. That is the interpretation in question and raised in the petition by the group of 21 NCSG members. The petition does a better job of explaining, so I’ll post the text below for clarity sake.
Thanks,
Robin
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The undersigned NCSG Members challenge the decision of the NCSG Executive Committee to refuse to briefly postpone an annual election that is being held using a flawed ballot and that suffers from an inadequately supervised election process in violation of the NCSG’s Charter.
Without any notice to the membership or the Executive Committee, the NCSG Chair changed the longstanding interpretation of the election rules, causing confusion among the membership once the ballot was released. Once the confusion was explained, the Chair and the EC refused to stop the election or to issue a clarified ballot. Part of the rationale given by the NCSG Chair was that this was just a “symbolic vote” since we had only 3 candidates for 3 Council seats. This is untrue, the mechanism summarily changed had allowed for a negative vote to be cast without needing to vote against a particular candidate or against all the candidates. Without a new vote with clarified procedures and ballot, the election cannot be seen as legitimate.
The issue at stake is more than just a question of particular elections or particular version of a ballot. It is an issue of good governance and due process. The NCSG has been known for demanding transparency, accountability and good governance from ICANN. The suggestion of “symbolic” elections with a confusing and disputed ballot undermines the whole concept of the NCSG and casts a shadow on its future activities. And it undermines ICANN’s multistakeholder model and its ability to deliver legitimate democratic processes for Internet governance.
Similarly, not addressing this problem now might lead to issues in the shortterm and mediumtolongterm in the functioning of the NCSG and its councillors, which will not benefit the effectiveness of the stakeholder group. We therefore would like to see this concern addressed before continuing with the election.
Pursuant to Section 2.4.2.1 of NCSG’s Charter, the NCSG Members signed below hereby initiate an appeal of this NCSG EC decision to refuse to fix the contested ballots and properly clarify the election process before proceeding.
Member Signatures
1. Avri Doria Individual Member
2. James Gannon Individual Member
3. Tatiana Tropina Individual Member
4. Farzaneh Badii Individual Member
5. Stephanie Perrin Individual Member
6. Robin Gross, IP Justice, Organizational Member
7. Amr Elsadr, Individual Member
8. Ayden Férdeline, Individual Member
9. Niels ten Oever, Article19, Organizational Member
10. William Drake, Individual Member
11. Anriette Esterhuysen, APC, Organizational Member
12. Rachel Pollack Ichou Individual Member
13. Milton Mueller, Internet Governance Project, Organizational Member
14. Dan Krimm, Individual Member
15. Stefania Milan, Individual Member
16. Monika Zalnieriute, Individual Member
17. David Cake, Electronic Frontiers Australia, Organizational Member
18. Norbert Klein, Open Institute, Organizational Member
19. Michael Oghia, Individual Member
20. Kim von Arx, Individual Member
21. DeeDee Halleck, Deep Dish Network
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On Aug 23, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote:
Robin
Now I am confused. . I had thought the complaint was about the "confusing" ballot. . Your note says it is about the Nota interpretation. Can you clarify which it is?
Thanks
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Tuesday, 23 August 2016, 03:09PM -04:00 from Robin Gross <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]:
It is unfortunate that what began as one careless out-of-bounds comment from the chair on this list yesterday has had the effect of disenfranchising every NCSG’s member’s right to vote for or against any candidate, but that is why the appeal had to be launched: to restore meaning to our votes.
The entire NCSG Executive Committee is responsible for monitoring the elections, providing oversight to the election, and specifically overseeing the chair’s performance of executive functions under NCSG’s Charter. Our charter is clear that it isn’t appropriate for the chair to unilaterally declare an interpretation of NOTA on this list - but it is especially disappointing that the interpretation provided renders every member’s vote for council meaningless. Further concerning was the dismissive attitude displayed against those questioning his interpretation and the claim that NCSG elections are merely symbolic gestures. But instead of fixing this unfortunate error, the chair seems to be digging in his heels on his interpretation of NOTA, which prevents members having the ability to vote for or against every candidate on the ballot. It is the least democratic interpretation of NOTA possible.
No rationale has been provided by the chair as to why this interpretation is best for our members or how it serves our members’ interest.
I brought this issue to the NCSG EC list yesterday and asked for a meeting to be scheduled so we could work through it. That request was denied and the chair said we’d use the email list to discus the issue instead, which is fine, except he declared the discussion closed within a few hours of opening it and before all the EC members could even wake-up to see the discussion let alone weigh in on this critical issue.
As we face a new interpretation of NOTA that does not take democracy or elections seriously, but only as a symbolic gesture, where everyone who runs automatically gets a seat, irrespective of whether there is sufficient support from the members to be represented by that person, the group of 21 members lodged the formal appeal of this decision to try to get this election back on track and restore the voting rights of members. Now that the appeal has been launched the chair is calling for an EC meeting tomorrow, so I am hopeful we can get this straightened out quickly.
If we can accept the definition of NOTA as explained by Avri, Rafik, and myself, who were the previous EC Chairs and were involved in the drafting of the charter, an interpretation which provides members REAL choice, not merely symbolic gestures in our elections, we probably don’t need to redo the ballots for this year, and we can just continue with the understanding those candidates who receive less votes than NOTA are not elected this year. So we can fix our ballots for next year, but use the NOTA interpretation which restores the right of members to approve (or not) of the candidates for this year.
This seems to be to a reasonable compromise, which allows us go forward with the election now, but without the cloud of illegitimacy it will otherwise have if we use the new NOTA interpretation that disenfranchises our members. Let’s find a constructive path forward and try to work cooperatively to fix this, not spend more time pointing fingers at each other, but in fixing this error.
Thanks,
Robin Gross
NCSG Executive Committee Member
On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:13 AM, James Gannon <[log in to unmask] <x-msg:[log in to unmask]> > wrote:
Sam I suggest you read the letter from all 3 previous chairs of the NCSG to the current EC (which has been dismissed by the current chair) on that point:
http://mailman.ipjustice.org/pipermail/ec-ncsg/2016-August/001083.html
-James
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Date: Tuesday 23 August 2016 at 16:08
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Subject: Re: By Laws Section 2.4.2.1 Appeal on the election process
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