Thanks Ayden,
I appreciate your kindness and willingness to see things move forward. Also
thanks for having elaborated more on your intentions and comments. It is
more clear to me.
Let's keep in touch,
A
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**Arsène Tungali**
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<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
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<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>-
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<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The HuffingtonPost
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2016-06-15 16:10 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>:
> Hi Arsène,
>
> Of course this can be flagged if that is the view of the community. I was
> speaking in my personal capacity when I suggested it was not helpful to
> raise this issue in our response to this consultation exercise – it is also
> why I noted that I will be responding to this consultation individually,
> because I am aware that my views on the Fellowship programme probably do
> not align with those of everyone in the NCSG.
>
> But to your question, my rationale here is that it is very easy to ask for
> too much and not to recognise everything we have gained along the way. The
> proposed changes to the Fellowship programme go above and beyond what most
> would have reasonably asked for. We now have something on the table that is
> goal-driven and merit-based. It is also more inclusive, on every metric,
> than its predecessor.
>
> It is my view that we should thank ICANN staff for seeking to redesign the
> Fellowship programme so to advance the goals of ICANN’s unique,
> participatory multistakeholder approach to governance. Of course this is
> not a substitution for all the advocacy and engagement work that ICANN
> staff do around the world, which will and should continue, but it’s an
> excellent evolution.
>
> The strongest arguments we can make, in any consultation response we
> write, are those supported by evidence. If we have mechanisms through which
> we can eliminate linguistic hurdles, let’s make them known to ICANN staff.
> But machine translation is not there yet. And how much would human
> translation / simultaneous interpretation into seven languages cost? I
> haven’t priced it but I’m willing to guess it’s expensive.
>
> I’m sorry if you found my comments arrogant. That wasn’t my intention. I’m
> just not a huge fan of asking for blank cheques to be written, and I like
> to give credit where credit is due.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 2:54 PM, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> Ayden,
>>
>> You have spoken some true reality and I pretty much agree with the
>> challenges the world have in so many other platforms or organizations
>> related to language. This is not only about ICANN but for so many other
>> organizations dealing with ICT Policy, etc. And I am glad you presented
>> some innovative ways people like us are relying on to better participate or
>> contribute to ICANN's work.
>>
>> But i don't like the way you point or present your arguments, the way you
>> explain those challenges, I am tempted to say, in an arrogant way (not to
>> be taken parsonal but due to language barrier, i couldn't find a better
>> word :) ), which is not really helpful at all.
>>
>> I also don't know why you think the NCSG should not point this reality if
>> they wish to make comments. We represent CS interest and this can be
>> considered as a barrier to CS participation to ICANN's work.
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali**
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>> Tel: +243 993810967
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>>
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> (YALI) - ISOC IGF Ambassador
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>-
>>
>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow
>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The
>> HuffingtonPost UK
>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html>
>>
>> 2016-06-15 15:37 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> It’s not that I disagree with you, Arsène – because I don’t, and I
>> actually identified this as a barrier to participation in my earlier email
>> – but I don’t think it is helpful to flag this obstacle if the NCSG
>> responds to the consultation. My feeling is that this is a known hurdle
>> which cannot easily be addressed until machine translation advances to a
>> satisfactory standard. This is a painful reality because linguistic
>> diversity is very important. But like it or not we are constrained by
>> resources and so we need a common language. English has become the lingua
>> franca of Internet policy; maybe it shouldn’t be, maybe that should be
>> Portuguese or French another tongue, but it is. So in theory we could keep
>> ICANN’s language services team very busy translating all the traffic on the
>> fellowship mailing lists and Facebook groups, helping break down barriers
>> to participation, but given ICANN’s website is barely translated into
>> languages other than English, in practice I think we need to make better
>> use of their time. I think it’s quite reasonable to expect that all
>> public-facing documents are translated by ICANN into the seven official
>> languages. Maybe more face-to-face sessions and working group calls should
>> have simultaneous interpretation too. And I would like all sessions to have
>> live captioning. But I respectfully submit that this is not a discussion
>> for the renewed focus of the Fellowship programme.
>>
>> - Ayden
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 2:15 PM, Mamadou LO [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>
>> +1 Arsene TUNGALI
>>
>>
>>
>> *===================================================================
>> Mamadou LO*
>> Chef du Département Communication et Information Documentaire
>> Head of Communication and Information Department
>> Crédit Agricole Sénégal
>> Tel : 221 77 645 59 57
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *De :* NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]> de la part de Arsène
>> Tungali <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Envoyé :* mercredi 15 juin 2016 13:06
>> *À :* [log in to unmask]
>> *Objet :* Re: ICANN Fellowship Program Application Process Review
>>
>> Just a quick reaction,
>>
>> Fellows shouldn't be expected to speak English to be selected because
>> ICANN meetings work with all UN languages (though English is their working
>> language). It is still indeed a barrier because the application form is in
>> English and I remember having serious issues to fill it some time ago (as a
>> native French speaker).
>>
>> I think this needs to be looked into very seriously to ensure inclusion
>> and diversity
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali**
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>> Tel: +243 993810967
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>>
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> (YALI) - ISOC IGF Ambassador
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>-
>>
>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow
>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The
>> HuffingtonPost UK
>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html>
>>
>> 2016-06-15 14:06 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this, Mamadou. Mama J has proposed some very sensible
>> changes to the Fellowship programme here. I will review the supporting
>> documents more closely over the coming weeks and respond to the
>> consultation activity in my personal capacity, but I would hope that this
>> renewed mandate and focus of the Fellowship programme is something we as
>> the NCSG are able to support. From a cursory glance at the documents, I'm
>> glad to see that we now acknowledge that there are factors other than
>> nationality which contribute to inequality — so trying to bring voices in
>> from women, indigenous people, the LGBT community, and those with
>> disabilities is a push we need. I would also suggest that linguistic
>> barriers remain in this proposal (I believe Fellows must speak English to
>> participate?), but that's a much harder obstacle to overcome and I
>> certainly don't have any solutions. The proposed changes to the Fellowship
>> programme will see it being more goal-driven and merit-based: it has my
>> support.
>>
>> - Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 12:52 PM, Mamadou LO [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> Mamadou
>>
>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:15 AM
>> *Subject:* ICANN News Alert -- ICANN Fellowship Program Application
>> Process Review
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/>
>> News Alert
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-14-en
>> ------------------------------
>> ICANN Fellowship Program Application Process Review
>>
>> 14 June 2016
>>
>> *Open Date:*
>>
>> 14 June 2016
>>
>> *Close Date:*
>>
>> 29 July 2016
>>
>> *Originating Organization:*
>>
>> Development and Public Responsibility Department
>>
>> *Categories/Tags:*
>>
>> Reviews/Improvements
>>
>> *Brief Overview:*
>>
>> Leading up to the ten-year anniversary of ICANN's Fellowship program, the
>> organization has evaluated this successful initiative in order to address
>> the needs of the global community and provide appropriate enhancements to
>> ensure that the program will continue to thrive while addressing today's
>> ICANN and its capacity-building needs. In this regard, the ICANN staff have
>> identified areas of improvement, mainly to the language used to describe
>> Applicant Selection Criteria and the application assessment process. In
>> doing so, ICANN staff is looking to ensure that the Fellowship selection
>> process remains accountable, transparent, and independent while continuing
>> to strengthen the ICANN Multistakeholder Model.
>>
>> *Link:*
>>
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/fellowship-application-process-review-2016-06-14-en
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> Statement of Interest
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> Statement of Interest
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> Statement of Interest
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI>
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