Hi Farzaneh,
Actually one could say the internet today is controlled by private
companies; imagine if a few companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon and
major ISPs et all decides to block access to certain content. Though there
are private not-for-profit organisations like ICANN, RIRs, some IX et all
that contributes to controlling the internet. I will say the larger chunk
still falls within the private sector.
That said, applying human rights within the wall of ICANN is something that
as much as it sounds interesting I would caution against. ICANN coordinates
based on guidelines provided/set and it technically does not set policy for
2.5 out of 3 of the operational communities. These operational communities
don't all have human rights wordings embedded into their governing/policy
documents. So if IETF for instance releases an RFC that allows end-to-end
encryption as the only means of communication (again just a wild example)
will ICANN as the IFO refuse to process the instruction because it violates
HR principles? I guess that would only ensure that separation of the
operational communities happen earlier then we may have thought.
Again I am a fan of HR but applying it within a technical coordinating
organisation as ICANN can be an act of shooting of self in the leg.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 3 Oct 2015 15:24, "farzaneh badii" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I agree with Ed and Milton.
>
>
>
> and I find this statement surprising
>
> Human rights and the Internet
> "The Internet is mostly “owned” and controlled by private companies.
> This makes the protection of human rights more complicated, because
> human rights are really ‘rules for governments’, not private
> companies."
>
> Since when did we establish that the Internet is property to be owned! and
> owned by private companies??? That's just like saying because so many shops
> are owned by the private sector in this street, this city is owned by the
> private companies!!
>
> The argument that human rights are rules for governments not private
> companies is outdated in my opinion. There are many efforts in place to
> bring protection of human rights to private companies both by national
> legislations and international organizations and to some people's surprise
> by private companies own effort.
>
> And nice to see Vik in this space. I find you a passionate activist.
> ofcourse we disagree, but we can disagree agreeably!
>
>
> On 3 October 2015 at 13:33, Patrick Lenihan <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> +1 Ed....I have problems with regulating Any Speech! Let the People
>> decide what is Good and what is Bad.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 8:05 pm
>> Subject: Re: ICANN and Human Rights & the World Bank and Human Rights
>>
>> Hi Viktor,
>>
>> Great to see you here!
>>
>> The traditional position of the NCSG is
>> that ICANN should not get involved in content. That is a position I am a strong
>> supporter of, be it content we all agree is wonderful and delight in viewing or
>> content some would label hate speech. Are you suggesting that ICANN should get
>> involved in regulating hate speech? That is a concept I find troubling on a
>> number of grounds and is certainly something I would contend is beyond the
>> corporations scope and mission.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ed Morris
>>
>> Sent from my
>> iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Viktor Szabados <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Niels,
>> >
>> > No Hate is an example in this regards. I
>> sometimes have problems to
>> > understand your very theoretical approach. I like
>> more practical
>> > things, we are different.
>> >
>> > Colleagues of Article 19 are
>> also in our IRPC coalition and for them
>> > it does not refer to a night club or
>> anything else. But maybe I have
>> > different point of view.
>> >
>> >
>> thanks,your
>> > vik
>> >
>> >> On 02/10/2015, Niels ten Oever
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> >> Dear Viktor,
>> >>
>> >> I am not really convinced bu the
>> argument that the Internet has (or
>> >> should have) the same status as a night
>> club. If any part of the
>> >> Internet would simply drop packets because of the
>> wrong header, we
>> >> would simply route around it.
>> >>
>> >> Am also not sure if
>> this is a sufficient mapping of human rights
>> >> online, it seems that most
>> things are described in relation to hate
>> >> speech, whereas the is more to say,
>> non-discrimination then what is
>> >> described here, no? Take for instance
>> algorithmic decision making.
>> >>
>> >> Also missed a discussion on Intermediary
>> Liability in the document,
>> >> does is align with the Manila Principles?
>> >>
>>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Niels
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 10/02/2015 10:43
>> AM, Viktor Szabados wrote:
>> >>> Hello Everybody,
>> >>>
>> >>> let me give also
>> some input from my side, as consultant of the No
>> >>> Hate Speech Movement of
>> the Council of Europe. We have a quite good
>> >>> summary of all the issues
>> around human rights and Internet, in
>> >>> particular linked to hate speech. We
>> run besides the campaign
>> >>> conferences, workshops and this guide is also for
>> different
>> >>> exercises around this topic. We can offer you inputs and
>> knowledge
>> >>> based on the expertise and experience of our campaign run
>> since
>> >>> 2012.
>> >>>
>> >>> An other good network of experts is around the
>> Internet Rights and
>> >>> Principles Coalition where I am also member of the
>> board, see our
>> >>> Charter also below. The Coalition gained also official
>> observer
>> >>> status at the Council of Europe’s Steering Committee on Media
>> >>>
>> Information and Society (CDMSI).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> NHSM Council of Europe - No
>> Hate Speech Movement
>> >>> http://www.nohatespeechmovement.org Bookmarks p.
>> 144-145 see
>> >>> attached, full edition link below
>> >>>http://nohate.ext.coe.int/Campaign-Tools-and-Materials/Bookmarks
>> >>>http://nohate.ext.coe.int/content/download/38987/300906/file/Bookmarks
>> >>
>> _EN_online.pdf
>> >>>
>> >>> Human rights and the Internet The Internet is mostly
>> “owned” and
>> >>> controlled by private companies. This makes the protection of
>> human
>> >>> rights more complicated, because human rights are really ‘rules
>> for
>> >>> governments’, not private companies. If a shopping mall or private
>> >>>
>> nightclub wants to forbid people from wearing jeans, protesting, or
>> >>>
>> distributing information about another company, all of which are
>> >>> forms of
>> ‘expression’, you cannot plead freedom of expression and
>> >>> take them to the
>> European Court of Human Rights! In the same way,
>> >>> private companies can
>> mostly set the rules that people must abide
>> >>> by when using parts of the
>> Internet owned by them. If people do not
>> >>> like the rules, they can complain,
>> but the ultimate sanction is
>> >>> simply not to use the service. However, this
>> does not mean that
>> >>> those parts of the world which are owned by private
>> companies,
>> >>> including the Internet, are not regulated by human rights
>> laws!
>> >>> Human rights impose (at least) two different types of obligation
>> on
>> >>> governments: 1. They set limits on what governments are actively
>> >>>
>> allowed to do, for example, they are not allowed to ban all
>> >>> political
>> dissent, engage in torture, or deprive someone of their
>> >>> liberty without
>> proper reason. 2. They oblige governments to take
>> >>> positive action to ensure
>> that rights are properly protected. This
>> >>> may mean passing laws which
>> prohibit discrimination, making sure
>> >>> that violent acts are prosecuted (and
>> punished), or ensuring that
>> >>> victims receive proper protection. ...
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>> >>> IRPC Internet Rights and Principles Coalition -
>> >>>http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/ the charter of human rights
>> >>> and
>> principles for the internet
>> >>>http://internetrightsandprinciples.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/08
>> >>
>> /IRPC_Booklet-English_4thedition.pdf
>> >>>
>> >>> What do we mean by Human Rights
>> & Principles? Human rights are
>> >>> international human rights as defined by
>> international law. We have
>> >>> translated these directly to the internet with
>> provisions such as
>> >>> freedom from blocking and filtering. These can be
>> identified by the
>> >>> use of language such as “everyone has a right to...” and
>> “everyone
>> >>> has a freedom to...”. By “Principles” we are talking about
>> those
>> >>> internet policy principles or implementation principles that
>> >>>
>> describe features of the system which are required to support human
>> >>> rights,
>> these can be identified by the use of language such as
>> >>> “shall” and “must”.
>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Happy to give more insight or connection if needed, just
>> drop me a
>> >>> line.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks,your vik
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 01/10/2015, Sam
>> Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>>> As we struggle to determine where and
>> how human rights fit into
>> >>>> what ICANN is and what it does, it might be
>> useful to read the
>> >>>> recent report to the UN General Assembly by the UN
>> Special
>> >>>> Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip
>> Alston,
>> >>>> submitted in accordance with Human Rights Council resolution
>> >>>>
>> 26/.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It is short, 23 pages long, and has been used by others
>> to
>> >>>> describe the World Bank, in negative terms, as a "Human-Rights
>> >>>>
>> Free Zone". I would hate to see that label applied to ICANN.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/274
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sam
>> L.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> Re: Human Rights@ICANN 54 Inbox Stephanie
>> >>>
>> Perrin<[log in to unmask]> 1 October 2015 at 17:32
>> >>> To:[log in to unmask]
>> >>>
>> >>> Gac public safety committee, on Monday
>> at 330 to 430 I believe
>> >>> Stephanie
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2015-10-01 9:44, Marilia
>> Maciel wrote: Dear NCSGers,
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a compilation of ICANN sessions
>> that are either about
>> >>> human rights or that relate to Human Rights
>> discussions. May be of
>> >>> interest to this group.
>> >>>
>> >>> Please, take a
>> look and see if you would have any
>> >>> additions/deletions to make:http://bit.ly/1LSIbvQ
>> >>>
>> >>> Best wishes, Marília
>> >>
>> >> - --
>> >> Niels
>> ten Oever
>> >> Head of Digital
>> >>
>> >> Article 19
>> >> www.article19.org
>> >>
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>> >
>> > --
>> > SZABADOS Viktor
>> >[log in to unmask]
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Farzaneh
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