+1

Thanks Bill:

"I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have noted that 
there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of outright 
competition between At-Large and the GNSO’s Non-Commercial Users 
Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, with the Not-for-Profit 
Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC).”

"I don’t know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions..., but 
in my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or 
competition.  I can’t see how such vague assertions unconnected to 
anything real are helpful."


Norbert Klein


On 1.2.2017 11:37 PM, William Drake wrote:

> Hi
>
>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 16:43, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask] 
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> On the ICANN wiki, ICANN staff have uploaded a new draft of the 
>> report of the Review of the At-Large Community. You can read it in 
>> PDF format here: 
>> https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/Review+of+the+ICANN+At-Large+Community+-+Draft+Report+for+Public+Comment
>>
>> The report will open for public comment today, and I think it is 
>> important we respond (and also read it closely to see whether or not 
>> there are any lessons we can learn, ahead of the GNSO Review). To aid 
>> us in drafting our comments, I am going to compare the changes in 
>> this second draft against those from the initial report released in 
>> December — before members of the At-Large Review Working Party 
>> requested signifiant revisions — and I'll try to produce a redlined 
>> version, which I'll share on our list. The initial draft was an 
>> honest assessment of At-Large. A cursory glance at the revisions in 
>> this new draft suggests the inclusion of flowery language praising 
>> the current leadership of At-Large for their stewardship of the 
>> community over time; I hope the original recommendations have not 
>> been materially toned down, but I haven't read the report close 
>> enough just yet to assess whether or not this is the case.
>
> Thanks Ayden for the offer.  I hope that in any comment we submit we 
> bring a little clarity to the section on "Mission overlap with NCUC & 
> NPOC.”  I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have 
> noted that there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of 
> outright competition between At-Large and the GNSO’s 
> Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, 
> with the Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC).”  I 
> don’t know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions (feels a 
> bit like the Westlake Report all over again), but in my 3 years as 
> NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or competition.  I 
> can’t see how such vague assertions unconnected to anything real are 
> helpful.  Moreover, the authors say the differences between NCSG and 
> ALAC are simply that
>
> • -  The role of the ALAC is to provide advice on policy and other 
> issues being discussed within ICANN that have implications for end users.
> • -  The role of NCUC and NPOC, as constituencies of the 
> Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) within the GNSO, is to provide 
> policy advice related to work of the policy- development function 
> within the GNSO
>
> One would think that the fact that At Large is a multistakeholder 
> formation with a lot of folks from various commercial parts of the 
> community merits mention.  Of course there are civil society folks 
> there too and some of us have participated extensively in AL, but on 
> the whole we are talking about very different beasts, and not simply 
> because of the AC/SO roles.
>
> Sigh…
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>
>
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