Tamir,

no objection at all... as an applied research grantmaking practitioner in
the past, as well as a retired evaluation consultant for international
development agencies, I have seen the benefits of assessments being made on
the basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer) which I define as
objectively verifiable by an independant and uninterested third party. I
suggest that norm be followed for admitting members into our constituencies
and stakeholders' group.

Alain

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Tamir Israel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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> Hi there,****
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> I just wanted to clarify if you’re objection is to **at**tempts **at**assessing ‘real non-commercial’ in general, or to specific line-drawing
> with respect to one applic**at**ion (Olympic committee). If the objective
> is to ensure true represent**at**ion of non-commercial interests, legal
> (or .org) non-profit st**at**us is not enough, I think. It would be far
> too easy to game, as any commercial interest can quite easily set up a
> non-profit wing. In fact, it’s fairly common practice for industry or
> business groups to set up non-profits precisely for the purpose of
> advancing commercial interests. I can think of many examples.****
>
> The legal criteria for ‘non-profit’ rel**at**e to financial structuring,
> not to ‘interests advanced’. There do not appear to be any requirements for
> .org registr**at**ion. Given this, I think it is incumbent upon NCSG to
> do some sort of assessment to ensure th**at** it remains represent**at**ive
> of non-commercial interests.****
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> Best,****
>
> Tamir****
>
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> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of
> *Alain Berranger
> *Sent:* November 13, 2011 12:23 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Question about NCUC faq rel**at**ing to membership****
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> Meanwhile, I think we can only be taken seriously inside and outside ICANN
> and do meaningful work, if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP
> members... so arguing about this NGO or this NFP being a "real
> non-commercial" seems counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree
> with me th**at** academics support evidence-based decisions and the
> definition of an NGO/NFP is not rocket science neither...****
>
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>



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